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[clocker]

So SciMan, how long does it take you to produce this system and what kind of guarantee do you provide?
Are there piccies yet?

[SciManAl]

well it took me about 2 days to produce, of course that was the first one... i bet someone could get done fairly quick... It requires these abilities to make,

Metal Working: (you probably fit the bill and then some clocker)
Metals:
Copper
Steel (you could supstitute this for something else, but keep in mind that this is the metal that will reinforce a pipe that holds pressures in the ballpark of 300 psi)

Metal working tools suggested (all to get the desired effect if you can do it, then you can do it...)

Metal drill Press is the minamum, it will work, but this is slow... i used this for my first try... I later used a computer driected lathe (hehehe Wichita State Universities lathe... the airplane building in the local area prompts great manufactering classes...)

You need to be able to take copper and make a heatsink out of it... it will have an in and out... designs available... (although i bet clocker might be able to enhance)

The steel will be used to house a pipe that holds the cold element, it will need to have the durability to hold the pipe and reinforce it... i used a solid block of steel, and I etched out via a drill press the place for the pipe to fit...

The pipe is store bought steel, no biggie welding is required to attech the pipe together vie elbow joints...

you will then need some basic circut board stuff, if you don't know what then you don't have the skills to do it... i will make circuts i think, and offer them for sale...

other than that you hooke everything together via bolts... etc not too complicated if you have the stuff to do it..

One last thing, to fill it with Liquad nitrogen, you need a chemist to buy it, and a chemist to supervise filling it up to pressure... (100 or more psi at least, the chemist will know, but you have to get it to turn into a liqaud and keep it as one... which requires lots of PSI)

If a chemist is nowwhere to be found, then other things like R139a could be used... things like that when highy compressed can also do it, but thery have to be replenished... (still lasts a long time though...

what kind of guarantee do you provide?

I will give a 100% 2 million hour/3 year warrenty, although i bet that it will last longer than you the consumer will... (seriosly looks that way on paper...)

Are there piccies yet?

well depends on supply... in my location it wi cost around 200 bucks to make... but it may be cheaper based on mass purchase etc.. so the price to allow for me to make it worth it will be around 250-300... that will also allow me to have some buffer incase of price changes in supplys...

As for you clocker i would say that you just need to commit, and then i would say sure... get some things signed to make you part of ALCO industries and we will start making things...

[clocker]

ALCO Industries?

I sorta like Clocker, Ltd.

[SciManAl]

ALCO Industries?

I sorta like Clocker, Ltd.

hehehe,Alco Industries is an established company... i figured it would be ok.. but i could partner Alco with Clocker, ltd...


hehehehehehehe

but yes quite frankly you can sell them as whatevr company you like, but the place they originate from is ALCO...

[_John_Lennon_]

What about the liquid nitrogen. You say that the heat is transfered away from X solution, because of the LN. But doesnt the liquid nitrogen dissipiate as a result? Its not like it can continuly do this forever, because you have to transfer the energy (heat) to another source, which would entail adding more Liquid Nitrogen wouldnt it?

[SciManAl]

hmm, no, well if the tubing is not properly welded, then yes it could leak out, but you would know about it... the heat is dissipated via the fact that the hotter it gets the higher the pressure gets in the tubes... it doesn't dissipate, it is not a chemical.. The way Liquid Nitrogen, Liquid Oxygen etc are made is by taking their gas form and compressing them until the molecules have nowhere to move, and they turn liquid... if enough pressure is applied then you could even turn Oxygen into a solid... however that is how it works, it doesn't "go bad" when it is heated up it rather just tries to expand... so the container has to be very strong, and their is of course a pressure relive valve... just in case you are pressuring the system too much... now, a cheaper alternative is to use R138a or similar, it will need to be replaced every few years... but that could be done by anyone even slightly hardware savvy... or by any mechanic (well I wound't take the computer... just the container ) the ONLY flaw in my design is that in the event of a overloaded system... (That would take some crazy stuff) the pressure could become too great... that is why for safely purposes it will have a relief valve...

Sp

[james_bond_rulez]

water is more than sufficient to remove and transport heat off of a suited up computer.

only in extreme modding do u need liquid nitrogen

ur ideas are good but not practical to typical oc'ers.

[james_bond_rulez]

right what about condessation problems? those liquid nitrogen in those tubes of urs is a sure way to condense water around the tubings. if not insulated properly water would invade critical system conponents and permenantly damage ur system.

destroying a thousand dollars system with some flawed cooling system is not really worth it imho

[SciManAl]

right what about condessation problems? those liquid nitrogen in those tubes of urs is a sure way to condense water around the tubings. if not insulated properly water would invade critical system conponents and permenantly damage ur system.

the cold element, and it assembly is inside a sealled unit... no condensation, that was a problem i started thinking about before it even hit paper all of it is insulated... heatsinks, and all

water is more than sufficient to remove and transport heat off of a suited up computer.

umm it has been stated numerous times that I am making a heatpipe cooler, the LN is the cold element that helps complete that cycle, it cools the water down, the cold element never comes into contact with anything other than water vapor... the water is indeed what moves the heat...

Anyone have any other Qs???

[james_bond_rulez]

ok so ur gonna have LN in a sealed system. so if the LN is heated up it goes to gas right? is ur system gonna withstand the pressure?

and how r u gonna convert gas nitrogen back to liquid state?

sorry if i didn't read the details but i get ur gist of the design.