Usa And It's Influence.

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we will believe in the global warming theory just as soon as someone can prove there is a profit in it...until then it's nothing more than hogwash

[Chame1eon]

Originally posted by leftism@11 January 2004 - 00:03

Sometimes it seems like the Gvt and the people are synonomous in the USA.

There is a lot of criticism of american individuals too, and a lot of the things that are wrong witht the government are blamed on the people.

[hobbes]

Originally posted by 3RA1N1AC+12 January 2004 - 05:58--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (3RA1N1AC &#064; 12 January 2004 - 05:58)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-hobbes@11 January 2004 - 14:35
I never subscribe to an agenda and force the facts to support them.

so, in essence, you&#39;re superhuman?

you should hear how that sounds to another person, when you say something like "i never lie, i never twist the facts to suit my views, i never make the mistake of presenting the subjective as objective..." etc, etc. in the Star Trek tv shows, people who make such claims are often referred to as Vulcans. strangely enough, the Vulcans&#39; claims that they are always like this and never like that come across as mere vanity, when always and never turn out to not quite be always and never.[/b][/quote]
Sorry, I didn&#39;t mean to come off as honest. What is the purpose of coming to a discussion board if you plan on lying?

I don&#39;t attempt to deceive, is that a problem? I make mistakes, and I admit to them when pointed out.

If you have a belief which is not supported by new data, why cling to it, what is the point?

In real life, people who refer to the star trek tv show are referred to as dorks.

[Chame1eon]

Originally posted by hobbes@11 January 2004 - 00:53
I am commenting on the fact that the people who tend to blast the US are more interested in their impotence than a unique agenda or quality of American politics.

Maybe that is the motivation for the criticism, but you have to admit that with our apathy and consequent (I think that is the reason for it) gulibility we make good targets.

[Chame1eon]

Originally posted by Wizard_Mon1@11 January 2004 - 16:38
furry muff

but there might also be hidden biases in your subconcious that cause you to react to certain things in certain ways

but i guess they only matter if you want to truely know youre self blah blah blah i think im going off topic

If you understand yourself and your motivatins and pay attention you can keep the biases from having undue influence on your opinions and actions. anyone can do that if they think objectiity is important. no one is stuck being a slave to emoitons and untrue convictions.

[Chame1eon]

Originally posted by Billy_Dean+11 January 2004 - 23:48--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Billy_Dean @ 11 January 2004 - 23:48)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-hobbes@11 January 2004 - 13:22
I really get so sick of USA bashing when it all comes down to impotent nations pretending that they are somehow different, when, in fact, they would be no different from the USA if they had the ability.

When an uncontested super power appears upon the Earth you will know it by this sign, the impotent will join in a confederacy against it.

Really, it is simple human psychology. All men/nations want autonomy over their lives, their destiny. When this is removed, it causes unrest, anger, and resentment.

Like all the low level workers who gather in the break room talking about how stupid their boss is, slapping each other on the back and laughing. They discredit any achievements of the boss as a ruse to mask their impotence. They demean the boss and his integrity. They wouldn&#39;t be caught dead being such an ass kissing low life as their boss who was obviously pandered to all his live.

The Boss acts without caring about others. Yeah, like any country, ever, has passed up something to strengthen itself because it wouldn&#39;t be "nice". Humans are humans.

So all I see is anger and specious moral high ground acting as a facade to mask fear and impotence.

This whole thread is wandering off topic, read the first remark. This thread is not about American citizens being blamed for the actions of their government, it&#39;s a defence of the US administration on the grounds that any other country would do the same, given the same power. This is, of course, rot&#33; Australia was given as an example, but I can tell you right now, our government would not act in the same way, because the citizens of this country would not allow it. For one thing, we have the ability to completely change our political landscape, something the US, with it&#39;s Tweedledum&#092;Tweedledee party politics can never achieve.

So all I see is anger and specious moral high ground acting as a facade to mask fear and impotence.

That&#39;s all you see?


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I&#39;m not saying the us is perfect at all , but don&#39;t you think that the need to feel superior in soem wya has something to do with all of the criticism?

[Chame1eon]

Originally posted by Busyman+12 January 2004 - 10:27--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Busyman @ 12 January 2004 - 10:27)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by 4th gen@12 January 2004 - 17:13
<!--QuoteBegin-Busyman

@12 January 2004 - 15:08
It takes intelligence to get nuclear weapons.
Whether procured or invented.

if money = intelligence then you&#39;re right

How do you get money if you are not born into it?
Or hit the lottery? [/b][/quote]
actuallyu i think it probably has more to do withthe way our government is set up. if people belive they are working for thtemselves and their own gain they will probably work harder than if they feel they are been controlled or that thye won&#39;t see any of the fruits of their labor. look at people who are paid by the hour.

[Chame1eon]

Originally posted by alpha+12 January 2004 - 11:18--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (alpha @ 12 January 2004 - 11:18)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-hobbes@11 January 2004 - 05:22
I really get so sick of USA bashing when it all comes down to impotent nations pretending that they are somehow different, when, in fact, they would be no different from the USA if they had the ability.

Are you disallowing for the fact that people of different cultures may react differently to different situations?
That&#39;s a rather narrow perspective. [/b][/quote]
That&#39;s true, but a lot of things includeing a list of basic emotions like happiness sadness disgust ect. and things like ethnocentricity are pretty universal. Not always , of course, but we are all humans.

[Chame1eon]

wow, i had somwthig to say to everyone. Is that annoying?
Just wondering.

[clocker]

Originally posted by Chame1eon@12 January 2004 - 14:13
if people belive they are working for thtemselves and their own gain they will probably work harder than if they feel they are been controlled or that thye won&#39;t see any of the fruits of their labor. look at people who are paid by the hour.

Right then.
I&#39;ve been looking at people who get paid by the hour.
According to your nebulous theory, exactly what is it that I&#39;m supposed to be seeing?