Israeli Ambassador

[Billy_Dean]

What was that link all about? You show me a Google page as "proof" of your ramblings?

And what difference does it make what country l'm from?

l worked in a Kibbutz whan l was younger, l couldn't get out of there quick enough. l know something of the attitude of Israelis, especially settlers. l've also lived among Muslims, they want only what's theirs. And l'm talking about radical Muslims too. If Israel wants peace, withdraw to 1967 borders, as the UN demands. And don't give me semantics about the wording, read the preamble.

[leftism]

Originally posted by venom+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (venom)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>true, I haven&#39;t read the article because I know the phenomenon
I don&#39;t know the details of this specific case but i do know your source is some leftist / Arab extremist site and i wouldn&#39;t believe a word in it
[/b]

hmm, I cant quite decide between this...



or this....

Originally posted by leftist/arab&#045;extremist&#045;site+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (leftist/arab&#045;extremist&#045;site)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
What is ICAHD

ICAHD is a non-violent, direct-action group originally established to oppose and resist Israeli demolition of Palestinian houses in the Occupied Territories.

As our activists gained direct knowledge of the brutalities of the Occupation, we expanded our resistance activities to other areas - land expropriation, settlement expansion, by-pass road construction, policies of "closure" and "separation," the wholesale uprooting of fruit and olive trees and more. The fierce repression of Palestinian efforts to "shake off" the Occupation following the latest Intifada has only added urgency to our efforts.

As a direct-action group, ICAHD is comprised of members of many Israeli peace and human rights organizations. All of our work in the Occupied Territories is closely co-ordinated with local Palestinian organizations.[/b]

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of course ppl are going to leap at me now claiming i called all Europeans anti-semitic, but anyone who thinks that, please read again and consider i only deal with facts and the general opinion in Europe is no secret according to many surveys, one of them the one claiming Israel is the most dangerous country in the world[/quote]

Translation: "Now I&#39;m not saying all Europeans are anti-semitic, but imho all Europeans are anti-semitic".

You keep on telling yourself that venom. Ignore the many laws we have to protect Jewish people, (its illegal to deny the holocaust in Europe) and just keep on repeating this mantra.

"everyone who disagrees with me is anti-semitic, everyone who disagrees with me is anti-semitic".

<!--QuoteBegin-venom
executed whoever the hell they wanted without trial (whereas Israel puts the most evil murderers in jail), killed Muslim oppressors and then wrapped pork around their bodies to spite them and generally did whatever suited them, without any regard for any native, either Muslim or Jew. not to mention abuse of the mandate that was given to them just until Israel would be ready to stand on it&#39;s own, which it obviously was

now don&#39;t get me wrong - I fully understand the way the UK behaved when they were here and you would never hear me criticize them[/quote]

Venom.. you&#39;re either extremely young, extremely stupid or extremely mad.

Let me put it another way. You wont find anyone of sound mind who would "fully understand" wrapping pork around dead muslims and not criticise it.

Rabid dogs and disease ridden pigs have a stronger moral position than you.

[Rat Faced]

The comments regarding the attacks on Christians and women were in the US State Department reports on Human Rights Abuses in 1999.

Heres the 2000 Report.

Apparently at that time things were going downhill slightly in most categories...

Remember this report is from the US Government, who will be trying to make it as good as possible for Israel....not a country that will be bending over the opposite way (yes, i know they exist)

Israel&#39;s legal court system is apparently trying to stop things...but is being ignored by the Government. Good for the courts...now try giving them the power they should have and you&#39;ll be on your way.


I like how you state regarding the Press Rankings that its a biased site... biased is whose favour?

The Arab states come of worse than israel, so its obviously not biased in their favour.....

Your ranked 44 on Issues that dont concern the Occupied Territories...any news concerning the territories is much worse.

44 isnt bad(?), however your behind countries such as Equador, El Salvador, Chile, Nicaragua etc etc.....none of which are noted for their "Free Press" which you brag about....however you have to look at the weightings with the Rank, that says how much...in your case its 8, twice that of the UK (and like i said, ours is muzzled for some stupid reasons).

We trail behind Uruaguay and Costa Rica...im not boasting

On news concerning the Occupied Territories your ranked at 146..... thats BEHIND The Pallestinian Authority (Ranked 130)...but nevermind, as with weightings of nearly 40, we wont believe them either.... and i did say this was about Government Interference.

The ranking does not say how Biased any news story is either, thats an editorial matter....it just shows how much interference Governments have on the Press.....and it doesnt matter what political bias Israeli Press put either way, if the basic news from the area is interfered with 1st...as in the case of the Occupied Territories.


Im not proud of a lot of things that the UK did, including attemptig to Gas the Kurds in Persia (1930s), but what you just mentiond re: pork around bodies is just sick, if true...Ive never heard that one

[putty]

Originally posted by Billy_Dean@5 February 2004 - 09:53
&nbsp; l&#39;ve also lived among Muslims, they want only what&#39;s theirs. And l&#39;m talking about radical Muslims too. If Israel wants peace, withdraw to 1967 borders, as the UN demands.

1) The PLO was founded in 1964, 3 years before stepped foot inside the West Bank/Gaza. Guess who the PLO charter describes as "Occupiers"... is it the Jordanians (who were ocupying the WB), was it the Egyptians (who were occupying Gaza)? No, it was the Israelis. Before they took over the territories.

2) Oct 2003 poll

44.6% of Palestinians say the goal of the intifadah is to get Israel out of the occupied tettitries.

43% say that the goal is to "liberate all of historic Palestine"

61.8% support "suicibe bombings against Israeli civilians".

http://www.jmcc.org/publicpoll/results/2003/no49.pdf

3) The stated goal of Hamas is to continue until Israel is no more

4) As already stated, Israel offered return of the territories in 1967 and was flat out rejected. Again, see Khartoum Conference.

"No peace. No recognition. No negotiations."


Spare me the "return to 1967 borders and there will be peace". I do happen to agree that Israel should return the territories but I&#39;m not fooling myself into believing that it&#39;ll bring peace.

And don&#39;t give me semantics about the wording, read the preamble.

The resolution took over 5 months of negotiations to pass. Please don&#39;t ignore the intentions of the authors of the resolution because you don&#39;t like it.

Lord Carandon, UK ambassador to the UN and an author of Resolution 242:

"We didn&#39;t say there should be withdrawal to the ‘67 line; we did not put ‘the&#39; in, we did not say ‘all the territories&#39; deliberately. We knew that the boundaries of ‘67 were not drawn as permanent frontiers; they were a cease-fire line of a couple of decades earlier. We did not say that the ‘67 boundaries must be forever."

Eugene Rostow, US Undersecretary of State, and also an author of Resolution 242:

"[It is] perfectly clear about what the missing definite article in Resolution 242 means. Ingeniously drafted resolutions calling for withdrawal from ‘all&#39; the territories were defeated in the Security Council and the General Assembly. Speaker after speaker made it explicit that Israel was not to be forced back to the ‘fragile&#39; and ‘vulnerable&#39; Armistice Demarcation Lines [1949] but should retire once peace was made to what Resolution 242 called ‘secure and recognized&#39; boundaries, agreed to by the parties"

Contrary to what someone else posted here, recognition of Israel has come only from Egypt and Jordan. Full recognition of every state in the region and territory withdrawal are both required under 242. It does not state which is to come first.

[putty]

You wont find anyone of sound mind who would "fully understand" wrapping pork around dead muslims and not criticise it.&nbsp;

How about calling someone&#39;s mother a "kosher crack whore" in a thread screaming about how not anti-semitic you are?

[leftism]

Originally posted by venom/putty
How about calling someone&#39;s mother a "kosher crack whore" in a thread screaming about how not anti-semitic you are?

Nope, thats still nowhere near as bad as killing muslims and then wrapping their bodies in pork you lunatic.

As for my "anti-semitic" comment, if your happy to live by the sword then you should be equally as happy to die by it.

So if, at some point in the future, I suggest that people should kill your mother then wrap her body in pork then you might just have a point.

[putty]

Originally posted by leftism+5 February 2004 - 19:46--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (leftism @ 5 February 2004 - 19:46)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-venom/putty
How about calling someone&#39;s mother a "kosher crack whore" in a thread screaming about how not anti-semitic you are?

Nope, thats still nowhere near as bad as killing muslims and then wrapping their bodies in pork you lunatic.

As for my "anti-semitic" comment, if your happy to live by the sword then you should be equally as happy to die by it.

So if, at some point in the future, I suggest that people should kill your mother then wrap her body in pork then you might just have a point. [/b][/quote]
Dude, WTF are you talking about?

My mother&#39;s a kosher crack whore and now i&#39;m a lunatic.

From you? Yay&#33;

[leftism]

Originally posted by putty/venom
My mother&#39;s a kosher crack whore and now i&#39;m a lunatic.

Ah.. the little man is so easily confused...

Your a lunatic because you support killing muslims and wrapping their bodies in pork, venom/putty.

I&#39;m very sorry to hear that your mother&#39;s a crack whore as I&#39;m sure this factor played a significant role in your descent into lunacy.

[putty]

Originally posted by leftism+5 February 2004 - 20:09--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (leftism &#064; 5 February 2004 - 20:09)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-putty/venom
My mother&#39;s a kosher crack whore and now i&#39;m a lunatic.

Ah.. the little man is so easily confused...

Your a lunatic because you support killing muslims and wrapping their bodies in pork, venom/putty.

I&#39;m very sorry to hear that your mother&#39;s a crack whore as I&#39;m sure this factor played a significant role in your descent into lunacy. [/b][/quote]
Lefty buddy, get help.

I almost think that you&#39;re a Likud member trolling as a caricature of the anti-Israel crowd.

Trust me, you&#39;re doing your cause no good.

[leftism]

Originally posted by putty/venom+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (putty/venom)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Trust me, you&#39;re doing your cause no good. [/b]

You think?

I&#39;ve just got you to admit that you think killing muslims and wrapping their bodies in pork is a good thing.

I think I&#39;m making excellent progress in unearthing the real you, putty/venom

btw I couldnt help but notice yet another innaccuracy in your lunacy.

Originally posted by putty/venom@
executed whoever the hell they wanted without trial (whereas Israel puts the most evil murderers in jail), killed Muslim oppressors and then wrapped pork around their bodies to spite them and generally did whatever suited them, without any regard for any native, either Muslim or Jew. not to mention abuse of the mandate that was given to them just until Israel would be ready to stand on it&#39;s own, which it obviously was

now don&#39;t get me wrong - I fully understand the way the UK behaved when they were here and you would never hear me criticize them

They only put the murderers in jail if the victim is Jewish, putty/venom. You get community service for killing Palestinian children.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/1129829.stm

Dont delay&#33; Go out and bag yourself a couple of them before the Judge changes his mind&#33;

Then you can wrap their bodies in pork and put them on the mantelpiece or whatever it is sickos like you do for kicks, buddy

PS

I&#39;m just reading through your post where you defended the King David hotel bombing because the bombers gave warnings. In fact, you said that wasnt terrorism.

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i noticed you brought up king david as a terrorist act[/quote]

One rule for the gentiles and another for the chosen people, eh?

I&#39;ll be quite happy to make mincemeat out of you on this point as well if you like