@ leftism - "We regularly see live pictures of Palestinian children throwing rocks at tanks who then retaliate with machine guns"
and I regularly see pictures of UK soldiers murdering little boys
see? playing the game of spewing out unfounded lies is fun !![]()
This is the biggest crap Ive ever heard. If we wanted to kill Palestinians, there would be millions dead by now you dolt. the amount of special confirmations you need to get just to open fire even with rubber bullets is ridiculous. not only a tank would never open fire against a target throwing rocks at it (when visibility is good and it can determine there is no threat ), there have been cases of terrorists standing in front of a tank with ANTI TANK missiles and the tank couldn't open fire before it was fired at
i mean, this is just absurd. the only reason a tank is there in the first place is because it's the only way to have our soldiers there, protected, WITHOUT the need to hurt civilians. if we wanted to hurt them, we'd just send in regular soldiers and retaliate at everything claiming we didn't have a choice.. and then you'd tell us to send tanks in![]()
the so called pictures you are referring to only work to convince people of your intelligence, you see a picture of a tank near a boy throwing rocks at it, and you assume the tank immediately shot him after that.. or something, i don't even know how your mind works
dropping massive bombs in highly populated areas? that only happened once when an arch-terrorist was on the verge of committing/planning/authorizing a mega-terrorist hit, he was a ticking bomb hiding amogst civilians for his protection and we were left with no choice
and your ignorance in the matter is just astounding. US tanks ? tanks ?? have you ever even heard of the merkava, the undisputed best tank in the world invented, planned and built solely in Israel ?
i actually think the US gets as much technology from as as we do from them, if not more.. not that it changes the fact the we are highly dependable on them and owe them a LOT by any means but get your facts straight
yes, it's actually very easy to compare the Nazi's to the Palestinians. the only difference between them is that they don't have the means to destroy every Jewish person in the world. but they are easily as cruel as the Nazis, very easily. have you ever seen pictures of the ramalla lynch? have you ever heard of the tortures undergone by our captives when they were kidnapped, as opposed to the sanitary, regular prisons their captives are held at here? do you have any idea what happens to you if you miss a turn and get into Palestinian land ? or does your unbiased BBC only show anti-Israeli pictures? but let's forget that for a second. you seem to try and justify you bombardment of innocent civilians in the fact they were supposedly Nazis. so, you are saying all Germans were Nazis? even the civilians you bombed ? interesting, I'm sure Germans who read this thread will have something to say about that. also, please tell me how bombing civilians had anything to do with military consideration you so willingly bring up ? those bombings, if anything, only hurt your military efforts because instead of bombing proper targets, you were bombing civilians. and let me remind you that the Nazi's had an army with clear uniforms and they fought by the rules of the game, evil as they were. so if civilians were killed you know they were targeted by you because there was a clear distinction made by the Nazi's between the army and civilians. the Palestinian terrorists however don't have uniforms and pose as civilians, they launch missiles from populated buildings, open fire from within crowds, sacrifice their own people for their own cause (like killing their own people in cold blood to increase body count in their side and make Israel look bad) and more. in that regard the Nazi's were actually better than the Palestinians
RE the US and the veto well of course they wouldn't veto each and every single resolution.. would that make any sense to you?![]()
If I supported the war in Iraq, the last reason id have for doing so would be the UN
and here's the punch line
have i REMOTELY accused ANYONE of being anti-Semitic? let's review my post.. oh, just like i thought, NO. If anything, I only accused you of having double standards and being dumb, but I now add SHAMELESS LIAR to that listand accusing them of being anti-semitic
@Rat Faced - whoever talked UK, Germany or France ?!? fact is, 73 (OK, 72 labia sometimes abstains, probably trying to please the US or something) are automatically against us.. some democracy
@1234 - you baffle me. let me ask you something, does your country have nuclear weapons? do you know what nuclear weapons are used for? that's right, pure intimidation. it's obvious to any dimwit we're not going to use them because even if we wanted to, which no one here does, we'd be banned by the entire world and wouldn't stand a week. but perhaps, when your country is on the brink of total annihilation and destruction you use them as a last resort. so you think that Israel is the most dangerous country in the world because you fear a scenario where Arab countries attack Israel, nearly destroy completely and as a last result a nuclear attack might be launched ? let's forget the fact that you're comparing '73 to today which is beyond absurd (no wiseasses this is not a contradiction to the Nazi analogy because the former was about principal and the current one is about the current situation in which Arab countries don't really have a chance to defeat Israel, albeit they could severely hurt it)- why go that far at such a non existing scenario and not look at north Korea, for example, who might use those weapons not for self defense ? or how about Pakistan which is prone to use them against India?
god, i shouldve known you'd be so ignorant as to mention that war. i just can't take it any more, how f**ing brainwashed can you be ?!?!?!Israel started the 67 war, the invasions of Lebanon and the occupation of Palestinian land. It is an oppressive regime that has shown itself willing to countenance nuclear first strike.![]()
we started the war. right. offensive regime and allDuring the spring of 1967, the anti-Israel tirades increased in rallies and radio addresses throughout the Middle East. No leader was more inflamed in his rhetoric than Nasser. His threats turned to actions on May 15 when he ordered the United Nations peacekeeping troops out of the Sinai Peninsula. It was becoming evident what was about to take place.
Soon after the UN departure, Nasser ordered a blockade of the Strait of Tiran with these ominous words, "The Strait of Tiran is part of our territorial waters. No Israeli ship will ever navigate it again." This blockade cut off Israel’s southern access to the Red Sea and beyond.
It was, by any possible definition, an "act of war." We wonder how the United States would respond if Canada suddenly blockaded the Saint Lawrence Seaway to all United States shipping!
Nasser and other Arab leaders continued their drum-beating. Consider the following quotation, an example of many that could be cited. "The existence of Israel is an error which must be rectified. This is our opportunity to wipe out the ignominy, which has been with us since 1948. Our goal is clear—to wipe Israel off the map" (President Aref of Iraq, May 31, 1967).
By May 31, Egypt had moved 100,000 troops, 1,000 tanks, and 500 heavy guns into the Sinai. By June 4, Israel was outnumbered by Arab forces three to one on its borders. In light of these pressures, who would be surprised if Israel finally decided to defend itself?![]()
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and tell me something.. even if we did start that war, which we didn't, ther'e still the small matter of 4 other wars launched against us (one of which the day our country was created, when we didn't even have an army), that's 4 to 1 on the aggressiveness balance, I'd say.. I wonder how even before you knew the 67 war wasn't started by us (which you now do) you'd come to the conclusion our regime is aggressive. "first strike nuke" is just too big of a joke to even be addressed.
forgive me if i ignore the rest of your post, but like i said, the sheer amount of blatant lies makes it a little hard. i trust this little example i gave here of your credibility would be sufficient. as a general response to most of your ridiculous claims, consider the fact that over 1000 Israeli civilians were killed as a result of terrorism in addition to countless soldiers. if we were "playing it safe" like you're so sure we are, hundreds of thousands of Palestinians would be dead, and very few Israelis. your logic is failing badly.
only one last thing - regarding "mass murder of civilians" - i see your reading comprehension is lacking as well. I only said that when YOUR civilians are bombarded, IN THE SOLE PURPOSE of stopping the killing in your side, no one can blame you if you bomb the other side.. not that it's fun and good to do but it might be the only way to stop the murder of your civilians under some circumstances.. you want to take the moral highground, great, but just don't try to confront facts and make stupid comparisons like comparing the nazi's or palestinians to the IRA. also, i see your friend lefty disagrees with you on that subject.. interesting, perhaps that action wasn't as condemned as you try to make it appear.. but we'll let the two of you sort it out
P.S. it doesn't really matter what i think about bombing civilians, what matters is reality, in which Israel has never done so
okay i can't help myself, I was browsing your assortment of lies, I'm sorry, post, and my eyes fell upon this
no, actually, we get out of the "occupied" (It's actually liberated, the land is historically ours to begin with) and the killing will start. the defence wall might stop terrorists, but not tanks. do you have any idea how vulnerable Israel is without some of the liberated territories? do you know what would happen if we didn't have those territories in 73? we'd be destroyed, that's what. we're not willing to take that risk again and therefore we build the wall on a "security route", every inch for the sole purpose of Israel's defense and nothing elseGet out of the occupied land and the killing will end
And lastly the bit about "Jewish" terrorism is possibly the most absurd of all, before 48 Arab pilgrims of Jewess were a thing of the norm, the latter were barely defending themselves against the pilgrims, let alone terrorize the Arabs :helpsmile:
btw lynx i call BULLSHIT on your "tv report". did it even fire *at* the alleged harmless kid? did you actually see the kid hurt ? did you have perfect visibility to know there weren't any palestinians firing at the tank behind that kid or possibly AT the kid? (which is exactly what happened in the case of the dead boy a few years ago -the entire world flamed Israel until he turned out to have died from terrorist fire)
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