Originally posted by NotoriousBIC+4 February 2004 - 19:34--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (NotoriousBIC @ 4 February 2004 - 19:34)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I'm very curious to that post and subsequent reactions Illuminati! [/b]
Wish granted (I don't want this dug up over the long-term like ES5's user numbers)
There's a lot of stuff in here I shouldn't have said - Especially about K-Lite in the second paragraph. My reason saying the stuff is because when I was unbelievably emotional at the time of writing it (yes, I get emotional sometimes in posts). When I say the kiddies part, I mean those who came to the K-Lite board and went anti-ES5 because the rest did. If you had your own reasons for being anti-ES5, you weren't thought about then.
The same goes for the second-to-last paragraph - I wish to apologise to kAb for stating that paragraph. He's since contacted me and we'll be talking about the thing laterLike I said, I have no idea who to believe anymore
SharePro's recent responseOriginally posted by I-Dev@ ES5 Forums
This is the paragraph that invokes god knows how many emotions in me - Shock, disbelief, hell-risen anger, betrayal. Not just in kAb but also ES5 in general.Originally posted by SharePro@Feb 4 2004, 02:33 PM
I brought kAb in because he was from Klite. Contrary to common thought, we are not interested in fighting with the Klite community. kAb was supposed to be an "ambassador". Turns out, he just made things worse. We never asked him to be a "spy", but I will tell you that he did provide a great deal of information about the klite community. He was one of their senior members before coming to ES5. Even though kAb volunteered lots of "insiders" information on the Klite community, we never use information provided by kAb against specific Klite members cause that is not what we are about. We used it to know what people like about Klite and their respective community because afterall, we want to provide a superior online experience for everybody here on ES5.
A lot of those at K-Lite did the anti-ES5 thing for one reason - They were kiddies who saw the anti-ES5 view of random nut and decided to follow on to get kudos from the little club. There's no other way to describe it, no way to sugarcoat it - They were immature fucks who liked to get some sort of cheap thumbs-up from their own cliche. However, a few K-Lite members didn't start that crap, but did have the feeling that something wasn't right and not everything was honest - I'll admit that when I came over I had that mentality, but I originally shrugged it off in the sake of some kind of diplomacy and I forgotten about it. The existance of the Secret Society kinda shows that.
I've been a part of the ES5 board for the past few months because I wanted to be - It was/is a great board and the passion of the philosophy of P2P is strong here. But this IMHO changes considerably - Those emotions I mentioned earlier become only one - Disappointment.
The disappointment isn't in the Secret Society though - AFAIK it's driven a lot of the stuff we've had these past eight months, and despite ES5's freedom of speech philosophy there was always gonna be something that needed to be discussed in private. My disappointment is in kAb's actions, and the willingness of the top of ES5 to use his knowledge for multiple things (I take it that kAb's information was also used in the ES5-K-Lite gang war as well)
For SharePro, I appreciate and thank you for telling us all - I hope I can cull a lot of the anti-ES5 rumours at K-Lite now
Now excuse me - I'm gonna relay this to K-Lite. There is no absolute fucking way he's gonna be welcomed back without this in mind
After that, well I don't know - Truth be told, I don't know who to trust any more, let alone who to believe.
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Its one thing if his real agenda was p2p and providing a superior online experience, but its totally another when he plays on all parades manipulating everybody.
Again, we never had anything against the Klite community. Sure, we had our problems with Random Nut, but way before that had arisen, Paul had no problem in me posting on his forum. In fact, when I began streaming the movies, Paul offered not only content but also made a pinned thread about it to help us get it working and tested.
All this shit about spamming their board was never contrued by ES5. We never had anything to do with that. I always thought it was Balaam and his his multiple personalities that was doing the shit.
Again, if kAb had the best of the p2p community at heart, he would have never mentioned the SS. He would have simply left silently. But he's a vendictive 15 year old kid, and while I'd love to blame him, fact is how can you blame a teen ager?
Obviously, we want to know what 15 year olds think because their are millions of teenagers throughout the world who adore p2p, and of course not all 15 year olds are vendictive.
But for the sake of p2p and not necessarily ES5, please do feel free to let the guys over there know about his activities. Again, only the community at large can make the difference.
We dont have time to fight with p2pr's or their respective networks, we need to focus on uniting and working together. Our enemy is not eachother, its the powers that aim at creating pay 2 peer networks and placing viruses like the new doom that is running on top of Kazaa and fucking the world.[/quote]
That's all that's there so far
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). When I say the kiddies part, I mean those who came to the K-Lite board and went anti-ES5 because the rest did. If you had your own reasons for being anti-ES5, you weren't thought about then. 
Like I said, I have no idea who to believe anymore 
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