You Want The Shady S*** Of Es5?

[Hacktown]

I guess you have the money to gamble. Who says the RIAA wont take their entire database of IPs and stats and higher attorneys throughout the entier United States on commission to persecute the cases?

Are you aware that is what they are planning to do? So even if your ip address happened to be scanned and your info saved, they can sue you in 10 years cause its a civil case. Civil cases have no statute of limitations. If you owe somebody money, the nature of "time" doesnt clean the debt or your debtors ability to litigate it in court.

So while they have sued only 200 people, do you think the RIAA who has poured millions of dollars into their campain is going to stop? Because they are the media, they first went after public opinion cause only 2 years ago, when Napster was alive, nobody even thought it was illegal to swap and download files. So its taking them time to set the grounds.

The RIAA pays companys like BayTSP millions every month to scan IP addresses, and pays millions to lawyers, media people, etc., etc. And you just think this is about 200 people? Sorry, I think its you who really needs an awakening and to take Confucious advice.

Those 200 cases are only to test the ground work. Kind of like a "piolet". They need to check out their ability to litigate and be sure that they can win the cases. Just like the RIAA has laws for them, the people also have laws that protect them. Every now and then we hear about how the RIAA folded in court or a job went against them. So the RIAA wants to be sure that when they do go kamikaze and hitler on the world, they have a "final solution".

Any sleazy lawyer looking for extra money will die to work on commission for the RIAA. 50 states and thousands of lawyers. The cases will be easy to litigate when the RIAA provides the evidence and the formula. Remember, sometimes your correct in court but you argued your case the wrong way and you lose. Thats what this is about. When the RIAA starts suing big time, they will spread the cases throughout the 50 states to every sleazy lawyer like a virus. Look at the bigger picture. You'd love to believe that this was limited to 200 people who paid $20,000 plus lawyer fees but this isnt the case. They attacked a 12 year old, does that sound like reasonable people to you or people who will hold back? The names of the people attack, their lives, how old they were, etc, were all known to the RIAA. They did their homework. They didnt randomly pick out 200 names from a hat. They are attacking children and students and the elderly.

Why do you think the RIAA has invested so much time lobbying congress and the sentate? The law is in their favor, but they continue to pour millions into their lobbying the US Gov. The idea is to make sure that the laws remain the same and even get tougher. There are 100 million fileshares in the US. Laws tend to change when people dont like them. Knowing that laws can change, the RIAA has beaten everybody to the senate already. The RIAA has already established itself on capital hill.

In 1 year, or 2 years, you will see exactly what I mean. The RIAA lawyers look at P2P as a long term multi million dollar budgetted project that potentially will turn into the billions in revenue. If the RIAA loses, all music becomes free, but I hardly doubt they will lose.

Imagine the RIAA sues those millions of people that BayTSP has scanned? They already have a multi million P2P IP databank. So far, they drew ip's out of a hat and went and fought the Verizon case to the supreme court. It took time but they won. Again it took time, but time is now running out for p2p.

I did a paper on radio stations for my political science class. 30 years ago, did you know that radio stations didnt have to pay the riaa for playing music? The radio stations laughed at the riaa. Now, the entire worlds radio station industry pays. It will be interesting to see who wins, but dont underdog the riaa.

That is why I chose to use proxys and extra alternative forms of connection that ES5 provides automatically. I dont care about the name "ES5". I dont care what other people think about them. I do care about my future and not paying or being sued cause I have 2 years left in college and am already on a very limited budget. I cant afford to be sued. I already owe $30,000 in student loans. Most people who are in my position feel the same way. So I proudly use ES5 since they are the only ones providing security. No other p2p client offers multiple proxys, ip forging, random ports, etc. If others did, I'd probably try them out.

I am not religious about p2p. I just dont have the money to pay for music and games and I dont even have the money to go out on Friday nights. Kazaa doesnt have any security and nor do any of the other p2p networks. ES5 is going in the right direction because obviously they have a vision. I mean why else would they put so much money into their project and put it in Palestine? Everybody knows that they are not Palestinians but they have invested there and its not because of cheap labor. Kazaa is going to become 100% DRM in the near future.

Altnet is suing all of the other p2p networks for hash values requiring that they also become DRM. So its safe to say that even p2p will see changes in the future.

So I think its also safe to say that either p2p networks either provide security or they will simply die. I used Klite until last month. I liked klite. I didnt like ES5 in the beginning cause it had a lot of bugs. But today its a totally different program then what I remember. The program is easy to use and it has alot of extra options.

I dont think this conversation is so much about ES5 as it is "Are you willing to take a chance". Sorry, I simply cant afford to and most people I know wont take a chance if there are alternatives. Im not hyping, Im just telling you how it is. Why take a chance if you dont have to?

But if you think that the RIAA isnt going to attack or find you, then keep using non-secure p2p clients like Kazaa Lite. I wish I had your luck or at least your money to fight the bastards in court.

[zapjb]

Lawyers wouldn't take these "cases" en mass on commission. That's lunacy.

[NotoriousBIC]

Originally posted by Hacktown@16 February 2004 - 10:21
But if you think that the RIAA isnt going to attack or find you, then keep using non-secure p2p clients like Kazaa Lite. I wish I had your luck or at least your money to fight the bastards in court.

1. I don't live in the US, so the RIAA won't have any jurisdiction whatsoever over me.

2. I don't use Kazaa Lite

3. They can't prove anything without the help of my ISP. ISP's won't cooperate unless they are forced too by law and there's no such law here.

4. This thread is about ES5 and not flippin' Klite, RIAA or even Confucius.

So I admire your lengthy effort of a reply, it's completely and utterly useless.

Back on-topic please...

[Hacktown]

Hey, your the one who discussed the RIAA and Confusious! I just responded

[NotoriousBIC]

Ah well, the Riaa was in a question directed at hiloman and was about the small percentage of people that actually got prosecuted, nothing more, nothing less.
You hijacked that part.

And Confucius was in there because of an appropriate quote and was (of course) subsequently (ab)used as an argument, which it isn't.

Now, if you would like to tell us, how ES5 is a good thing and leeching of other networks is a good thing and lying about the nature of ES5 is a good thing, go right ahead and be my guest.

[Hacktown]

I wrote Sharepro a pm to get his comments on it and I posted them already so I dont want to spam here.

But what he said does make sense. In short, he claims that since no p2p program automatically forces you (when you install the p2p client) to share certain directorys or even share at all, that es5 is no different. He claims they dont tell you what to share or with which network to share.

But they do give the option to p2prs to decide and claims its ultimately the p2pr who decides what files they wanna share and with which networks.

I think he may have a point cause if Kazaa Lite forced people to share certain directories or files I doubt that people would use Klite. Say for example if upon installation of Klite that the program would scan your hard drive and automatically default all of your HD directories to be shared, would you use Klite?

If people want to share they will share. It really comes down to that. Maybe ES5 wants to drain all of the other networks resources til the point that everybody simply is forced to use ES5.

I think thats really what it is about but its hard to argue with Sharepro cause even when everybody is convinced that they are right, he has a special way of convincing us all that we are totally wrong - and what he says really does make sense but it just is so odd how Sharepro manipulates everything and everybody into his own corner. I mean if you read his statement that I posted (in another thread) you will see how he has convincing he is.

[Vargas]

Originally posted by Hacktown@18 February 2004 - 17:37
Maybe ES5 wants to drain all of the other networks resources til the point that everybody simply is forced to use ES5.

ain't no friggin way I would EVER use that P.O.S.

[MUSLEMAN]

Originally posted by Vargas+18 February 2004 - 14:23--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Vargas @ 18 February 2004 - 14:23)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Hacktown@18 February 2004 - 17:37
Maybe ES5 wants to drain all of the other networks resources til the point that everybody simply is forced to use ES5.

ain&#39;t no friggin way I would EVER use that P.O.S. [/b][/quote]
i second that boss, it goes against eveything we belive as a p2p community.

[nanotek]

i doubt that that would work anyway

[NotoriousBIC]

Originally posted by Hacktown@18 February 2004 - 17:37
But what he said does make sense. In short, he claims that since no p2p program automatically forces you (when you install the p2p client) to share certain directorys or even share at all, that es5 is no different. He claims they dont tell you what to share or with which network to share.

What SharePro does is equal sharefolder with network resources. Which is a one-sided comparison, to say the least.

For example: An ES5 client d/l a file from 5 Kazaa clients at 100 kbps. Those 5 clients all have a slot less and combined 100 kbps less bandwidth to use for the Fasttrack network. Those resources won&#39;t be shared back, because that&#39;s impossible.

If people want to share they will share. It really comes down to that. Maybe ES5 wants to drain all of the other networks resources til the point that everybody simply is forced to use ES5.

I thought we had enough Microsofts in this world