The End Of The Road.

[Billy_Dean]

l just got this message from 7th Element.

Are you using MSN or AIM or whatever ?

We need to have a talk cause it's time to end your membership here. I think it would be better to talk in a chat instead PMs cause I can explain the reasons for this better in a live chat.

Marc

So this looks like my last post.

l'd like to thank all my friends here for many months of enjoyment.

l can still be found at my forum, Rikk & Cowsy's, so keep in touch.

Take care all.

[h1]

Damn, Billy Dean, sad to see another veteran go.

Always enjoyed watching you and j2k4 ripping each other to shreds.

[AussieSheila]

WTF?

Some sort of admin explanation due here? I've taken all the changes without liking them all but this is the most bizarre thing I've personally seen an admin do on a forum.

[internet.news]

First time I've ever said this but.........this shouldn't be a poll.


Although if it is by the time I wake up, I say........


Let's keep Rikk





@Rikk - Get on MSN with him and sort it out

[AussieSheila]

Originally posted by samsamsamsam@17 February 2004 - 17:22
First time I've ever said this but.........this shouldn't be a poll.


Although if it is by the time I wake up, I say........


  Let's keep Rikk 





@Rikk - Get on MSN with him and sort it out

I agree Sam. I've had my run-ins with him but there's no doubt he's an interesting and valuable member.

Won't KL be fun when there's nothing but kids and spam threads on here? No wonder the regular members aren't interested in posting here anymore.

[{I}{K}{E}]

Originally posted by haxor41789@17 February 2004 - 07:15
Damn, Billy Dean, sad to see another veteran go.

billy a veteran

7th will explain it to Billy. We (admins and Mods) have discussed about this for a long time...

[cowswithguns]

WTF! Sorry to see they're possibly ousting you Billy. The board won't be the same without you.

@ Admin.....I think you're making a big mistake.

[{I}{K}{E}]

Originally posted by cowswithguns@17 February 2004 - 07:54
@ Admin.....I think you're making a big mistake.

Like I said we discussed this in the 'team section' and all agreed it was better that he should leave the board... ( it was not a yes or no POLL!! )

[Billy_Dean]

7th says:
greetings
Rikk says:
yes?
7th says:
i think its better to have a live chat instead PMs cause it's easier to discuss i guess
7th says:
i noticed that many things are going on and that it is the best that we end your membership on the board cause our mods are having hard times with you and dont take you serious due past actions
7th says:
you report topics where people insult you but our mods stopped to take action cause they feel that you are the reason for the attacks against you yourself
7th says:
since i think that it is very bad if mods ignore complaints there has to be a way to stop all this cause it makes no sense to take action on some people and not taking actions on other reports
Rikk says:
l have never reported someone for insulting me, but when someone post that he hopes my dead mother rots in hell l think l'm entitled to complain
7th says:
yep you are but as admin on this forum i cannot let it happen that such complaints are ignored just because they come from you
Rikk says:
my "problem" is that l stick up for myself and some of your mods don't like it
Rikk says:
so l get the blame for the inaction of your mods?
7th says:
nope thats not how it is... the problem with you is that too much things did already happen
7th says:
you call for example people prick and on the other side you complain if people call you prick
Rikk says:
many of the "things" that happened were down to your mods
7th says:
you start topics (indirectly) aginst members and then you complain if it gets flamed etc
Rikk says:
i have NEVER complained about being called a prick, or anything else
7th says:
i dont know all your posts cause i dont deal with users much - i dont even check reports cause its not my job etc
7th says:
i just exist to help mods if they need help - all other work is mod stuff
Rikk says:
so they pick on me and l get kicked off?
7th says:
nope your problem is different.. let me explain...
7th says:
on one side you complain (with right to do so) that people attack your mother
7th says:
i understand that cause it is a very sad thing
Rikk says:
l don't start topics "against" members, and l have NEVER complained about flaming
7th says:
but on the other side you tell people about your mother (which is private) so what do you expect us to do... we cannot take action on private issues
Rikk says:
l told him that in a PM after he called her a whore
7th says:
its like shareholder complaining that a forum member stole his layout (website) and we have to ban him
7th says:
dont get me wrong.. i know that it is bad if people do personal attacks but on the other side: if you did a porn movie and it comes out once you are rich then there is nothing you can do
7th says:
cause its a thing that you did in your past
Rikk says:
what does that have to do with anything?
Rikk says:
this is a forum not a porn movie
7th says:
well the point is: if you tell too much about yourself don't wonder if people attack you
7th says:
thats the point...
7th says:
if you call people a prick - dont wonder if they do it the same way etc
Rikk says:
l don't wonder if people attack me, l never have
Rikk says:
they have called me a prick, many times
7th says:
thats not the only issue... another thing is that you seem to enjoy posting "flame catchers" - which is bad too
Rikk says:
l have NEVER complained about it, or anything else
7th says:
i just remind you on the poll idea "inet news as replacement for lamsey"
7th says:
thats just evil stuff that results in flaming
Rikk says:
"flame catchers" ?
7th says:
flame catcher as in "I tell you NO" and you make a new post to get people against me to make me say yes
Rikk says:
l asked for a poll to be made, l mentioned Lamesy cos that's where internet.news posted his "request"
Rikk says:
l did NOT start a thread with Lamesy's name
7th says:
yup i know but i guess you know how it looks if i see a PM like this that you sent a mod
7th says:
it shows what you really think in my eyes
7th says:
its a bit picking on somebody... and thats not good
Rikk says:
l asked the mod to make it, he didn't have to use Lamsey's name
Rikk says:
it had nothing to do with Lamesy
Rikk says:
the thread was made
Rikk says:
it was lighthearted
Rikk says:
nobody flamed it
7th says:
i understand but well thats not the only topic... there are many that i could show you which are just designed vs members
Rikk says:
l actually remarked in my opening post that l thought IN would make a good mod
Rikk says:
go on then
Rikk says:
that's bullshit
7th says:
even if it is a joke topic like is inetnets 7th etc... thats stuff that will catch flames (even if i found it amusing cause he is one of the next banned users if he continues his crap)
Rikk says:
don't give me mods words, use your own
7th says:
well my own words are that i think you should take some time off and think about a few of your posts... i dont have a problem to let you back once you understand what i mean
Rikk says:
find these posts
Rikk says:
l've had time off
7th says:
but i cannot tolerate people starting posts just to indirectly attack others
7th says:
and i am sure you know that you do it
Rikk says:
one of your mods beliberately put me on the wrong moderation
7th says:
yup i noticed and i am sorry for that
Rikk says:
another mod told me he saw it and ignored it
7th says:
well i dont see this in our team chat.. i just see a 7 day moderation
7th says:
but it seems that ike places a wrong ban... there is no other reference
Rikk says:
and what was that for?
Rikk says:
check the post
7th says:
one sec let me check
Rikk says:
for telling a mod not to have a go at me for no reason
Rikk says:
so he put me on moderation
7th says:
let me check the warn logs one sec
7th says:
From: {I}{K}{E}
To: Billy_Dean
Sent: 2 January 2004 - 07:58
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keeps shouting and calling names to members
7th says:
thats the date when the wrong method was used
Rikk says:
he sent me a PM?
7th says:
did higher your warn level to 70 %
Rikk says:
bullshit
7th says:
nope no pm sent
7th says:
well at least not over the controlpanel
Rikk says:
why?
7th says:
let me check if there is a pm copy in our team chat one sec
Rikk says:
not doing his job
7th says:
nope i dont find any report about this one
Rikk says:
not very good mods eh?
Rikk says:
you should insist they do their jobs properly
7th says:
well i can understand if a mod makes a mistake once (he was very new at this date) o it can happen even if it should not
Rikk says:
instead of blaming me for their failures
7th says:
well i changed the system all warnings are sent over the warnpanel now (verbal warning)
7th says:
and mods have to use this since a few weeks
7th says:
cause then i have logs
Rikk says:
that doesn't do me any good
7th says:
well your warning level is huge... thats a fact...
Rikk says:
if this system was always in place my warn level would not be so high
7th says:
i dont think one more warning would change anything
7th says:
well all other warnings look ok to me i can paste them if you want
7th says:
From: Bender
To: Billy_Dean
Sent: 17 September 2003 - 19:20
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Billy_Dean and j2k4 don't seem to get along (World News), even after warnings I gave them: PM's sent to both.
Rikk says:
warn levels go up in tenths, 70% should be 7 warnings, 7 warnings should be 7 PMs
7th says:
From: Rat Faced
To: Billy_Dean
Sent: 30 September 2003 - 09:00
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Personal attacks on various members and their beliefs in World Events...going way beyond "debating"..
7th says:
From: Rat Faced
To: Billy_Dean
Sent: 25 October 2003 - 16:15
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http://www.klboard.ath.cx/index.php?...ic=76515&st=52
Rikk says:
Bender is the only mod who ever PM'd me
7th says:
From: Rat Faced
To: Billy_Dean
Sent: 26 October 2003 - 18:09
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Arguement in World Affairs. Both JPaul and Billy_Dean warnings increased by 10%, however as Billy was already on 30%, Moderated for 3 days.
7th says:
From: Rat Faced
To: Billy_Dean
Sent: 30 September 2003 - 09:00
Subject: Personal Attacks
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Debate with people, fine

Stop attacking them though.

You KNOW that attackig a religion is offensive to a lot of people...but not the one your aiming at, so it appears pointless.

Please cool it..

Ive told them to cool it
7th says:
From: NikkiD
To: Billy_Dean
Sent: 27 October 2003 - 15:02
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Created a new account to circumvent moderation. Increased a further 7 days, and suspended the new account.
7th says:
From: Lamsey
To: Billy_Dean
Sent: 1 December 2003 - 12:21
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Flamebaiting in this thread: http://klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showtopic=85123&st=0

Similar to past transgressions;
7th says:
From: {I}{K}{E}
To: Billy_Dean
Sent: 2 January 2004 - 07:58
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keeps shouting and calling names to members
7th says:
From: [B][O][T]
To: Billy_Dean
Sent: 2 February 2004 - 11:19
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Removed Moderator Preview indefinitely, been on that for a month now.

7th says:
thats it
Rikk says:
keeps shouting and calling names to members

hoew do you shout?
7th says:
maybe something like : FUCKING idiot or so...
7th says:
no idea cause i see only the logs / reason / additional details like links
Rikk says:
other members are completely ignored depending on which mod is their mate
Rikk says:
one member calls someone a prick daily
Rikk says:
he has never been warned cos he has mod mates
Rikk says:
so he gets away with it
7th says:
well its different to tell a friend "little prick lol"
7th says:
or you are a prick
7th says:
etc
Rikk says:
l call him a prick back and get my warn level raised. is that fair
7th says:
which member would that be ?
Rikk says:
l'm not a fucking grass, you figure it out, use search
7th says:
well if i dont know the name i cant search
Rikk says:
search for "prick"
7th says:
you mean Scribblec ?
Rikk says:
no
7th says:
cause he got warned twice yesterday
Rikk says:
although he is the nastiest person on the board
7th says:
well anyway i guess you know exactly that you "enjoy" to start new posts which can result in flaming / attacking so i think a temp ban is the best for the whole story
7th says:
it makes no sense if this goes on and on
Rikk says:
l DO NOT START THREADS TO FLAME PEOPLE
7th says:
a temp ban gives you time to maybe think about it and then maybe things change.... who knows
7th says:
well to me it looks like it does - and i am not alone by thinking this after all reports about you
7th says:
your log is already 7 pages long...
Rikk says:
so delete it
Rikk says:
why should l have to drag it around
Rikk says:
when l first came on the board l had a few arguments with people who are now mates
Rikk says:
l have changed, and so have they
7th says:
well maybe you are fine with a few people now but on the other side i see already 4 new reports against you (member reports) within the last 3 days
7th says:
so i actually have to take action cause i am tired of all this
Rikk says:
from scribblec
7th says:
i didnt say it is a allover ban - its a temp ban for a month which gives you time to think about some things
7th says:
i can understand if you say you wont come back at all but it has to be done
7th says:
after that the level can be reset
Rikk says:
he posts comments like "did your mum choke on your little dick?"
7th says:
he got warned twice for this
7th says:
incl level raise
Rikk says:
and then complained about me?
7th says:
nope we dont do wanrings based on peoples fights
7th says:
i talk about othermembers reporting
7th says:
not you vs him and him vs you
7th says:
that doesnt work
Rikk says:
so who complained about me then?
7th says:
4 other members... but i wont tell you the name cause it would just result in attacks
7th says:
2 of them are regulars
7th says:
2 are normal members
Rikk says:
without the guts to tell me
7th says:
2 x 5 stars / 2 x 3 stars
Rikk says:
and you act on that?
Rikk says:
what was their complaint?
7th says:
nope i act on the overall warning level and on the latest events
Rikk says:
so why bring these complaints up if you don't act on them?
7th says:
i do act on them
7th says:
but i also act on the overall level
Rikk says:
or do anonymous attacks fron these people score points with you?
7th says:
every complaint has value
7th says:
doesnt matter if you report or internet news or netweiser
Rikk says:
even mine?
7th says:
all counts same
Rikk says:
apparently not!
7th says:
billy.. i have no reason to attack you or to ban you cause the forum is not my life
7th says:
i just do what is needed in the eyes of the mods
7th says:
i dont even care what people do here... i just look that it is running
Rikk says:
maybe l should show you the PMs l got from some of your mods
7th says:
if i would care i would have to ban a lot of people that i dont like personally but i dont cause i dont care if people attack me
7th says:
i am just an admin and thats it - the forum is just a board to me and not life
Rikk says:
even ones who have warned me
7th says:
if ALL mods see issues with you i have to take care cause i see that you are picking on people myself
7th says:
even if you do it indirectly
7th says:
so it cant be that all mods are wrong and you are right
Rikk says:
l think l'm just an excuse
7th says:
nah mods even say good things about you
7th says:
its not that there are only complaints
7th says:
thats why i think they act fair overall
Rikk says:
l'll come back on with a proxy and act exactly the same and l bet anything you like they don't pick me
Rikk says:
just like my other member name l haven't used for over a year
7th says:
well i have no problems with that.... i just know that i will go for a 1 month ban for all your accounts and then lift it after a month
7th says:
then things have maybe changed i hope
Rikk says:
we'll see
7th says:
like i said i have nothing against you cause i really dont care
7th says:
i just act for the best of the board and thats more or less it
Rikk says:
no? it doesn't sound like it!
7th says:
even if people hate me - i dont care it's their right to do so
7th says:
but that doesnt mean that i ban people that i dont like... cause that would be not fair
Rikk says:
maybe you should take the month to look at yourself too then
Rikk says:
cos l've been on dozens of forums and never seen admin attacked as much
7th says:
well thats actually a funny thing lol cause most people think its me who does changes...
7th says:
just that the funny part is that paul and vb are still here (hidden)
7th says:
and most changes 90% come from them
7th says:
but i let people think its me cause its ok lol
7th says:
i dont care cause i have better things to worry about
Rikk says:
well now they know!
7th says:
people know that anyway
7th says:
cause vb is often here (not hidden)
7th says:
and paul is here too here and there
7th says:
so its not a big secret
Rikk says:
well if you want to ban me for a month, go ahead, this board takes up very little of my time, and after last night it really doesn't look that attractive any more
Rikk says:
your mods are on at the wrong times, all in your hemisphere
Rikk says:
we have hours and hours of crap with no mods
7th says:
nah not really there are always mods... they just prefer to do what you do too.. they use anonymous login
7th says:
which is understandable here and there
Rikk says:
it doesn't help members who need a mod
7th says:
well they still do "their jobs" - just that they dont show up
Rikk says:
you can't complain in mid-air
7th says:
i am sure you noticed that even if none are visible stuff is done
Rikk says:
no it's not
Rikk says:
look at last night
Rikk says:
every fucking post was from internet.news
7th says:
i never complain... cause its not my job to do so.. i just let people know whats up and then i do actions based on what mods / admins tell me to do (if i think its ok i do if not i discuss)
7th says:
well thats a general problem... doesnt matter if inet news or samsasmsam --- they all spam
7th says:
but thats ok as long as it is no insult
7th says:
if people dont want spam they can use the new forum
Rikk says:
it fucks the board up
7th says:
yup it does
Rikk says:
people won't post
Rikk says:
the site goes downhill, again
7th says:
but it makes more sense to have a new forum instead to makerules more strict
Rikk says:
no it doesn't, it makes more sense to enforce the rules
Rikk says:
what are you gonna do when the spammers move to the new bit?
7th says:
the lounge always was off topic.. and full of spam.. its just that people do it more now
7th says:
if spammers move the posts get deleted
Rikk says:
they do it more now cos they get away with it
7th says:
not locked but deleted
7th says:
they always spammed - sometimes more sometimes less
Rikk says:
the lounge was completely different way back
7th says:
now they can continue like always but serious people can use the serious board
7th says:
meaning people can choose
7th says:
people change... every day 400 - 600 people register that means changes
Rikk says:
when people see the crap members get away with they do the same cos they think it's normal
7th says:
forums always change and have us and downs
7th says:
yep thats true
7th says:
but now its ok cause people can choose to see it or not
7th says:
before they could not choose
Rikk says:
they could always choose
Rikk says:
news was always there
Rikk says:
and all the other topics
7th says:
well smalltalk is not = news
Rikk says:
smalltalk is spam
7th says:
if you posted non news it got moved to the lounge
7th says:
nope not really
Rikk says:
yes it is, what else is it?
7th says:
I want to color my hair - what colors are best ?
Rikk says:
it's irrelevant
7th says:
thats a good example for serious talk
7th says:
or i want to buy a car .- which one is best ?
7th says:
etc etc
Rikk says:
spam
7th says:
thats no news but waits for serious replies
7th says:
in your eyes maybe... but some people dont feel so
7th says:
STFU is spam
7th says:
5 word stories too
Rikk says:
serious replies like what? colour your hair brown cos it looks nice!
7th says:
yup
7th says:
in the lounge people would post STFU or who cares
7th says:
or post pics
7th says:
etc
Rikk says:
5 word stories is literature, and one of the better threads
7th says:
well it can be ok... i dont say it cant
Rikk says:
just because it's abused
7th says:
but as soon as people post "cunt" "fucker" etc
7th says:
then its off topic
7th says:
and changes to something else
Rikk says:
use the word filters, that's what they are for
Rikk says:
you shouldn't allow "cunt" on the board
7th says:
and what starts then ? censorship ! 7th is a censor !
Rikk says:
so what?
7th says:
mods are hitler ! etc
7th says:
no need for that
7th says:
we believe in free speech if it makes sense
Rikk says:
you're kicking me off! what's that if it isn't censorship?
7th says:
it's ok to post "my boss is a cunt"
Rikk says:
what about my free speach?
7th says:
but its not ok to attack others
7th says:
your posts are different... you try to cause troubles with your posts
7th says:
look at your ban post.. you posted it even before we started to talk
7th says:
to get people on your side
Rikk says:
it is NOT Ok to post "my boss is a cunt" it's unnecessary
7th says:
thats just an example
Rikk says:
what about the young kids on the board?
7th says:
if they can handle a adult room they can handle cunt too
Rikk says:
l posted to say goodbye
7th says:
if it is not against a member
Rikk says:
l said nothing against you or your mods or anyone else
7th says:
yup but inside you know that it will cause discussions against the mods or admins
7th says:
cause else you would just say: bye... ill go now
7th says:
or bye.. i will be banned soon
7th says:
etc
7th says:
its the way you post... not what you post
Rikk says:
you made the decision you stand up to it
7th says:
well i do...
7th says:
i dont care what people say if i stand behind it
Rikk says:
why should l go quietly when l feel it's unfair?
7th says:
nobody said you have to.... i just took it as an example about what you always do...
7th says:
if you dont like something you demonstrate in your way
7th says:
while making sure that people understand YOU
7th says:
andnot the problem itself
Rikk says:
well goodbye, and thanks for all the fish.

[Yogi]

:helpsmile:

Yeah, 7th and team: Explain, please!!*


YoBehehe

*Cos if BD goes(and i can imagine some moderate mod's having a hard time with

him....), i havr some more peeps that deserve it just as much at least!!!


Edit: Posted this reply before i saw BD's post above.