Gay Marriage

[Agrajag]

Originally posted by Rat Faced+20 February 2004 - 23:21--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Rat Faced @ 20 February 2004 - 23:21)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Biggles@20 February 2004 - 23:14
Agrajag

The erudite don&#39;t hijack






...they merely digress - its just some digressions are more tenuous than others.

Of course they dont.....




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That&#39;s just mad talk

[Wizard_Mon1]

Once the sexual identity center is matured (4-6 years), hormones will not effect sexuality.

Where is the sexual identity center? Are you sure you don&#39;t mean sexual center?
So you are saying that all sexual prefence is developed between 4-6 years because of sex hormones. In that case why is it scarcely encountered in chimps that are 98% genetically similar to humans. Where do you find this information hobbes? I am also interested to see what percentage of people are born like this and how it realites to the percentage of the pop. that is gay.

Personally i don&#39;t think that the human body can naturally be gay sure they could be more feminine or masculine but this is not directly related to there sexual identity because that is a result of programing.

[Biggles]

Originally posted by Agrajag@20 February 2004 - 23:25


The fact that I did not vote in the poll and as such could not see the current position may not have helped

:helpsmile:


Voter apathy - it gets everywhere.


Actually, your interpretation was close.

I think what Hobbes, and by dint of association, Busyman, meant by settled was partly the direction of the vote and partly they had found a related issue that they had got their teeth into.

[Agrajag]

Biggles

I agree, however I am reminded of a famous anecdote which I attribute to George Melly, only because the first time I heard it was from him. It is almost certainly apocryphal, whatever the source. The story goes that someone had written on a toilet wall "My Mother made me a homosexual" and some wag had written underneath "If I give her the wool, will she make me one as well ? "

[hobbes]

Originally posted by Wizard_Mon1@21 February 2004 - 00:29

Once the sexual identity center is matured (4-6 years), hormones will not effect sexuality.

Where is the sexual identity center? Are you sure you don&#39;t mean sexual center?
So you are saying that all sexual prefence is developed between 4-6 years because of sex hormones. In that case why is it scarcely encountered in chimps that are 98% genetically similar to humans. Where do you find this information hobbes? I am also interested to see what percentage of people are born like this and how it realites to the percentage of the pop. that is gay.

Personally i don&#39;t think that the human body can naturally be gay sure they could be more feminine or masculine but this is not directly related to there sexual identity because that is a result of programing.

I am not writing a textbook, I am trying to convey how homosexuality can be explained through genetics and environment, and is not an example of free will.

My posts have been simplified to convey concepts via analogies, not draw neuroanatomic charts.

When I put something in my post, why do you not read it the first time?

We are talking about brain maturation, which relies on, but is not exclusive to sex hormones. Once the sexual identity center is matured (4-6 years), hormones will not effect sexuality.

Slow down and try to understand what I am saying, not how to make a rebuttal.


As for chimps,(<---its a link) they are queer as folk, too&#33; Homosexual and bisexual activity in the animal kingdom, I had no idea they could chose their sexual orientation?

Statistical variance in homosexual activity among animals is irrelvant, it clearly shows that genetics are unequivically involved in this phenomenon.

Where do you get your information?

[3RA1N1AC]

Originally posted by Rat Faced@20 February 2004 - 11:10
Jamie Lee Curtis is a guy....... :&#39;( :&#39;( :&#39;(

http://www.urbanlegends.com/celebrities/jlc.html

http://www.snopes.com/movies/actors/jamie.htm

long-running urban myth.

[Busyman]

Originally posted by hobbes@20 February 2004 - 18:18
Busyman,

I have referenced no articles, I am just posting what my scientific backround has taught me.

Calling stuff "hogwash" is not a very eloquent rebuttal. It just says, "I don&#39;t want to believe what you are saying, but I cannot refute your statements".

Do you seriously believe that "homosexuality" is a choice, I can&#39;t believe an intelligent person such as yourself would say that.

Why are there so many priests caught for homosexual indiscretions. They are men of God but openly defy him as a choice? Or perhaps they sought the shelter of the church to fight their homosexual desires, which they are deeply ashamed of because of their upbringing. In the end, even after devoting their lives to Christ, their true natural desires came out anyway.

Openly gay priests, that really ought to give you a clue.

Who said I was ever eloquent? Fuck eloquent (as I scratch my nuts)&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;


Your statements are easily refuttable.

ex,
I can sprout all types of reasons scientific reasons about why people like the color blue. I can go as so far as to say they had no choice because at birth there was a predominance of colonic in their brain. As they matured (usually in the first three years) the colonic hit their visual center causing a bluish tint.

This is the reason they have a liking of the color blue.

It cannot be because well...........they just like it.
It&#39;s proven because of the scientific analysis of the last "20 years" and my personal scientific backround.

BULLSHIT&#33;&#33;&#33; (sorry if I&#39;m not being......... eloquent.

Dude I could choose to pound on dudes in the ass if I wanted to.
I don&#39;t choose too.
There are guys who have said they have neeeever been with a woman. Gay their entire life.
What if one had a woman ...finally and....LIKED IT. Would he still be gay?

According to your "pecking order" if he chose a guy, at any time, he was born gay.

This is why your argument is hogwash to me. It goes against common sense.
If their is conclusive proof that there is "something" physically different that makes me or anyone else want to slam guys in the ass or MAKES me want to be romantic with them I wouldn&#39;t hesitate too pay attention (regardless of my religious views).

Until then this has been a hoot and holler&#33;&#33;&#33;

Feel Teh Love baby

[hobbes]

Originally posted by 3RA1N1AC+21 February 2004 - 01:22--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (3RA1N1AC &#064; 21 February 2004 - 01:22)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Rat Faced@20 February 2004 - 11:10
Jamie Lee Curtis is a guy....... :&#39;( :&#39;( :&#39;(

http://www.urbanlegends.com/celebrities/jlc.html

long-running urban myth. [/b][/quote]
Your link does not disprove my statement. In fact, the question asked is wrong, she is not a hermaphrodite, but has testicular feminization which is completely different.

She is tall with large breats which is typical for TF.
She has not been able to have children, which hermaphrodites should.


But, whether she is or not is not relevant to my point. I meant no disrespect to her, I&#39;m sorry Jamie.

[Rat Faced]

Dude I could choose to pound on dudes in the ass if I wanted to.

Really?

The reflex for me has always been involuntary....and no "Dudes" ever triggered it

Just a short skirt on the pavement as i drive past frequently does it though




As to Ms Curtis.......thank god she&#39;s not.

[Wizard_Mon1]

Originally posted by hobbes+21 February 2004 - 00:11--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (hobbes &#064; 21 February 2004 - 00:11)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Wizard_Mon1@21 February 2004 - 00:29

Once the sexual identity center is matured (4-6 years), hormones will not effect sexuality.

Where is the sexual identity center? Are you sure you don&#39;t mean sexual center?
So you are saying that all sexual prefence is developed between 4-6 years because of sex hormones. In that case why is it scarcely encountered in chimps that are 98% genetically similar to humans. Where do you find this information hobbes? I am also interested to see what percentage of people are born like this and how it realites to the percentage of the pop. that is gay.

Personally i don&#39;t think that the human body can naturally be gay sure they could be more feminine or masculine but this is not directly related to there sexual identity because that is a result of programing.

I am not writing a textbook, I am trying to convey how homosexuality can be explained through genetics and environment, and is not an example of free will.

My posts have been simplified to convey concepts via analogies, not draw neuroanatomic charts.

When I put something in my post, why do you not read it the first time?

We are talking about brain maturation, which relies on, but is not exclusive to sex hormones. Once the sexual identity center is matured (4-6 years), hormones will not effect sexuality.

Slow down and try to understand what I am saying, not how to make a rebuttal.


As for chimps,(<---its a link) they are queer as folk, too&#33; Homosexual and bisexual activity in the animal kingdom, I had no idea they could chose their sexual orientation?

Statistical variance in homosexual activity among animals is irrelvant, it clearly shows that genetics are unequivically involved in this phenomenon.

Where do you get your information? [/b][/quote]
At no point did i mention free will in regards to being gay. I mentioned it in the begining in relation to marrige.

Busyman, i think that free will has to many religious connotations, rather i would say that what choices you make depend on alot of factors e.g. upbringing, past experience, situation/environment and view (outlook e.g. religious).

Did you read the thread?

I was just asking whether you had any results to back up what you say as you seem so addament that what you say is correct. I do understand what you have written i&#39;m questioning it, is that so hard to understand?

I was using chimps as an example because with them it is a social phenomena, they use it to built relationships and secure bonds.

I am sorry if i sound rude in this post but i object when people talk to me like this:

When I put something in my post, why do you not read it the first time? Slow down and try to understand what I am saying, not how to make a rebuttal.

Edit - The word i was looking for was patronising.

BTW - nice links.

I get my information from chinese medical theory.