Gay Marriage

[dwightfry]

I'm surprised that nobody has brought up the Corpus Callosum. It is the bundle of nerves that connect the 2 halves of the brain. It is proven that some straight men have a corpus collosum that is nearly 2 times the size of gay men, and the reverse for women. Granted, there was a overlap of gray area...but perhaps this is where enviroment comes into play. But, as far as I know, there have been no cases where an overally small corpus callosum resulted in a straight man, or an overly large corpus callosum resulted in a gay man.

[Busyman]

Originally posted by leftism+21 February 2004 - 07:52--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (leftism @ 21 February 2004 - 07:52)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Agrajag
Do you think your condescension is genetic, hormonal, learned or a mixture ?

Having reviewed this thread I would say its definitely due to the environment.

Some people are still comparing colour preference to sexuality and using that as proof that sexuality isnt genetic.

The reason people are getting so upset about this issue is because they think that if sexuality is dictated by genetics then you cant have free will.

Both of these things (color preference = sexuality + genetics does not allow for free will) have been dealt with, but no ones listening, so whats the point? [/b][/quote]
The only thing was hardwired was the urge to fuck.

There is no chemical from birth that says


Fuck this person because you see they have a penis
Fuck that person because you see they have a vagina.

Just fuck.

Personal preference determines the rest.

There&#39;s no chemical in the brain from birth that tells me to turn away once I see a dick.

And regarding dwightfry&#39;s comment, what...... a BIsexual has a medium sized corpus callosum? hogwash&#33;&#33;&#33;

dwight read how many people were used in that study then come back.

Also read and see how many other groups back that study.

[hobbes]

Originally posted by Agrajag+21 February 2004 - 10:47--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Agrajag &#064; 21 February 2004 - 10:47)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-hobbes@21 February 2004 - 05:30


And when they&#39;ve given you their all
Some stagger and fall, after all it&#39;s not easy
Banging your heart against some mad bugger&#39;s wall.

Pink Floyd- The Wall

Do you think your condescension is genetic, hormonal, learned or a mixture ?[/b][/quote]
I downloaded my condescension from the interweb.

I also downloaded the insight to know when no further posts will change anyones mind.

I gave my best effort, I was unable to penetrate anothers preconceived point of view, so I thanked everyone for the fish and walked away, maybe next time.

What is remarkable is that we are on page 5 and there has been no flaming and in a thread about homosexuality it seems almost unthinkable that no one has been called a "prick".

As for my quotes from the American Psychiatric Association and American Psychological Association, Busyman may have felt they were directed at him, but they were for Wizardmon and his Freudianesque view points, particularly the line in red.

[Agrajag]

Hobbes

It is quite possible for people to disagree, sometimes even in a heated way, without resorting to offensive language. However some people choose to use such language, often more for the effect and to amuse themself by the result than a genuine sense of anger. It is interesting to see a topic such as this ebb and flow without such manipulation. It is rather refreshing.

[Busyman]

Originally posted by hobbes+21 February 2004 - 14:58--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (hobbes @ 21 February 2004 - 14:58)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by Agrajag@21 February 2004 - 10:47
<!--QuoteBegin-hobbes

@21 February 2004 - 05:30


And when they&#39;ve given you their all
Some stagger and fall, after all it&#39;s not easy
Banging your heart against some mad bugger&#39;s wall.

Pink Floyd- The Wall

Do you think your condescension is genetic, hormonal, learned or a mixture ?

I downloaded my condescension from the interweb.

I also downloaded the insight to know when no further posts will change anyones mind.

I gave my best effort, I was unable to penetrate anothers preconceived point of view, so I thanked everyone for the fish and walked away, maybe next time.

What is remarkable is that we are on page 5 and there has been no flaming and in a thread about homosexuality it seems almost unthinkable that no one has been called a "prick".

As for my quotes from the American Psychiatric Association and American Psychological Association, Busyman may have felt they were directed at him, but they were for Wizardmon and his Freudianesque view points, particularly the line in red. [/b][/quote]
hobbes, you prick (oh and I find that amusing and am not angry Agrajag)

but on serious note......
hobbes I didn&#39;t think your post was directed at me but I had to comment.

Nor was my point of view preconceived. When I first saw a header for a study claiming homosexuality was something you are born with I thought it would be interesting. I&#39;ve read of men acting violently due to an extra Y chromosome and many others things so it didn&#39;t seem "too" far fetched. Unfortunately, the evidence to the contrary doesn&#39;t back this up and hasn&#39;t been duplicated to the degree of let&#39;s say testing for HIV.

I don&#39;t jump at the first study I read or , for that matter, the second.

I remember the same discussion with you regarding Glucosamine Chondroitin but that&#39;s another topic.

[kAb]

Lets remember that humans are not the only species with homosexuals. there are many many species of animals where there are homosexuals (including apes). and there are theorys that it is actually GOOD for the species because the animals without children can nurture other young-uns and help out.

[Agrajag]

Don&#39;t get me started on the glucose conundrum. Sugar is useful for the body to survive, but too much is a bad thing, end of story.

[Wizard_Mon1]

Thanks for the thought hobbes.

Someone somewhere said: science is just a string of disproven theories.
So excuse me if i don&#39;t agree. My view is just that, mine. I didn&#39;t get it from freud so whether it&#39;s vaguely freudian has no relevance.

Two studies in america prove nothing, there could be completely contrasting results in europe. In most scientific reports people include the results that back up thier hypothesis and don&#39;t cover those that don&#39;t.

My view is just a different way of looking at things, science understands a very small proportion of this universe, maybe just maybe others understand more.

One question: In ten years when there is more biological evidence - what if a straight man was told he was biologically gay.

I try to encompass what i have learn&#39;t from TCM with Modern Medical Theory - as i believe that both have a lot to learn from each other.

[hobbes]

I did not post two studies. I posted the position statements of the American Psychiatric and Psychologic Associations.

So we have my position which is supported by all the doctors in America and then your theory which is supported by you.

Not just that but your particular theories have been refuted in large part by these Associations.

It is important to note that my theory was based on my personal education and experience, I only looked up those sources later to see what the medical world was saying. They pretty much backed me point for point.

Forgive me if I don&#39;t see things your way.

[Wizard_Mon1]

Originally posted by hobbes@21 February 2004 - 21:48
I did not post two studies. I posted the position statements of the American Psychiatric and Psychologic Associations.

So we have my position which is supported by all the doctors in America and then your theory which is supported by you.

Not just that but your particular theories have been refuted in large part by these Associations.

It is important to note that my theory was based on my personal education and experience, I only looked up those sources later to see what the medical world was saying. They pretty much backed me point for point.

Forgive me if I don&#39;t see things your way.

Two studies, Two statements now your just splitting hairs.

All the doctors in america - thats a bit of a wide statement, if you don&#39;t mind me saying.

As i said before: its an uncommon view.

My points are also from my experience.

Your forgiven [/joke]

It&#39;s been fun discussing with you.