Gay Marriage

[Busyman]

Originally posted by Expire@22 February 2004 - 22:32
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Have you ever ass fucked your woman, er I mean little girlfriend?

Then you have stabbed shit too my friend.

Let's not move towards flaming any group.

[Alex H]

Originally posted by Busyman+23 February 2004 - 02:41--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Busyman &#064; 23 February 2004 - 02:41)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Expire@22 February 2004 - 22:32
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Have you ever ass fucked your woman, er I mean little girlfriend?

Then you have stabbed shit too my friend.

Let&#39;s not move towards flaming any group. [/b][/quote]
Damn straight&#33; No flaming you f*cking hetero&#33;

Here&#39;s an interesting one: I&#39;ve just been diagnosed with Summer Seasonal Affective Disorder (SSAD), meaning while most people get hot and bothered in summer, I sink into a depression and feel like killing myself. All the evidence (of which there is little) points to a genetic cause for my condition, however it only becomes aparent during the summer when humidity and temperature levels rise. So it is a genetic problem with an environmental trigger. Shit eh? Not much I can do. My brain is wired a bit different to most people, but it doesn&#39;t decrease my capacity for love and commitment.

My black friend doesn&#39;t have a problem loving people because he has different skin pigmentation.

My female friend doesn&#39;t have a problem with guys even though she was raped.

The gay couple around the corner from me who have been together for 42 years don&#39;t seem to have a problem with commitment. They have an adult adopted son, who is not gay ("Where did we go wrong?" they joke), has a girlfriend and will soon be a proud father, although he is not married.

Marriage does not mean love and commitment and love and commitment don&#39;t mean marriage. In the end it HAS to be about the couple in question and if they want to get married, let them - I wish them luck and happiness

[dwightfry]

And regarding dwightfry&#39;s comment, what...... a BIsexual has a medium sized corpus callosum? hogwash&#33;&#33;&#33;

That&#39;s not at all what I meant. I didn&#39;t mean that everyone with a medium Corpus Callosum was bisexual, I meant that some do decide to be gay, they may land in that area, and that was just a thought that crossed through my mind while writing.

Straight Women have a small Corpus Callosum
Gay Men have a Corpus Callosum the same size of women
Straight Men have a large Corpus Callosum
Gay Women have a Corpus Callosum the same size of men


The study was made by Simon Levay.
http://cas.bellarmine.edu/tietjen/Human%20...david_nimmo.htm

But, I should also post this that points out many flaws in his studys

http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FR..._gaybrain.html

My point was, that there may be differences in the brain that at least reflect the sexual orientation which would prove that it isn&#39;t enviromental.

[Wizard_Mon1]

That there may be differences in the brain that at least reflect the sexual orientation which would prove that it isn&#39;t enviromental.

At least and Reflect don&#39;t prove anything.

They show there is some relation.

I would argue that a smaller Corpus Callosum might have a relation to an individuals abilty to suffer from repeatative thinking, it doesn&#39;t PROVE there is not any enviromental factors involved.

@ Biggles

Flying in the face of extreme social pressure to pursue happiness in a same sex relationship.

Humans wants happyness in there life, where they find it is relative to thier situation and personal information (thoughts & habits).

Busyman has put forward the notion that the urge to procreate is the single most important driving force behind all animal behaviour including humans. This is a fair point - this primal urge is indeed very strong and is almost certainly genetic. This does not in my view explain homosexuality. A man through genetic coding may be attracted to a young woman of child bearing age whose symmetrical appearance triggers all the codes that say "pass on your genes through her". It is most unlikely that another man could trigger such codes. Unless of course something is different.

Good point. Females give off pheromones that attract males. Are gay men biologically attracted to male pheromenes?. They are attracted to them because there is an imbalence in thier system. I am taking about the taoist concept of Yin & Yang when i talk about balence, e.g. excess yin, yang deficient.

In terms of reason from being gay, it makes to sense biologically (some benefits socially as already pointed out) to not pass on your genes. So if it is the case why has this &#39;malfuction of neural development&#39; been selected for?

@ Alex h

My black friend doesn&#39;t have a problem loving people because he has different skin pigmentation.

Are you saying we think he should?

My female friend doesn&#39;t have a problem with guys even though she was raped.

This was also not what i was saying, i was pointing out that humans have subconcious reactions to there surroundings which can be built up until mental patterns and habits are formed.

[vidcc]

Getting back on subject i see Arnie is going to take court action against the city of San francisco to stop it issuing marriage lisences to gay couples....perhaps he is not the man for the people and for fairness and individual rights he claimed to be.

[Wizard_Mon1]

To many muscles cloud his reasoning

Is he really doing that? Is that what the majority of the public want?

[Busyman]

Originally posted by dwightfry@23 February 2004 - 12:15

And regarding dwightfry&#39;s comment, what...... a BIsexual has a medium sized corpus callosum? hogwash&#33;&#33;&#33;

That&#39;s not at all what I meant. I didn&#39;t mean that everyone with a medium Corpus Callosum was bisexual, I meant that some do decide to be gay, they may land in that area, and that was just a thought that crossed through my mind while writing.

Straight Women have a small Corpus Callosum
Gay Men have a Corpus Callosum the same size of women
Straight Men have a large Corpus Callosum
Gay Women have a Corpus Callosum the same size of men


The study was made by Simon Levay.
http://cas.bellarmine.edu/tietjen/Human%20...david_nimmo.htm

But, I should also post this that points out many flaws in his studys

http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FR..._gaybrain.html

My point was, that there may be differences in the brain that at least reflect the sexual orientation which would prove that it isn&#39;t enviromental.

Hey dwight I remember this Simon Levay study and remember the flaws.
I didn&#39;t know he was homosexual though and I had forgot his name for that matter.

Another good post btw&#33;&#33;&#33;

I like this one

To summarize, LeVay ignores previous studies, incongruities in his own data, and numerous alternative explanations for the "differences" he cites. Yet the media was quick to hail this study as the final proof. In Vancouver, Washington, The Columbian editorialized that INAH-3 "is always smaller in the brains of homosexual males than it is in other brains.... Now [gays] have evidence to back [their] faith [that they didn’t choose to be gay]. Anti-gay zealots won’t surrender their positions in the face of one scientific report; zeal may be defined as the refusal to see reason no matter what the evidence says. Anyone else should be able to see more clearly that hating a sexual preference is no more valid than hating eye color, skin tone, hair twist or any other characteristic based on biology."

A similar media circus was generated in 1984, when Science published an analogous study (8) on physiological differences between 17 heterosexual and 14 homosexual males. In spite of all the excitement, it led nowhere – again, a study using an extremely small sample. The chances are good that LeVay’s study will meet the same fate.

maybe some folks should take this to heart

To have a "hunch" about something, then to argue that one’s hunch is proven by evidence that could just as plausibly be used by someone with a totally different "hunch" [e.g., a classical music instructor who "just knew" that smaller INAH-3 caused an appreciation of fine music], is much more like "wishful fishing" than serious scientific hypothesis testing.

[Busyman]

Originally posted by Wizard_Mon1@23 February 2004 - 15:09

In terms of reason from being gay, it makes to sense biologically (some benefits socially as already pointed out) to not pass on your genes. So if it is the case why has this &#39;malfuction of neural development&#39; been selected for?

Then why do gay women AND men biologically still have children?

[vidcc]

Originally posted by Wizard_Mon1@23 February 2004 - 11:40
To many muscles cloud his reasoning

Is he really doing that? Is that what the majority of the public want?

yes he is doing it via the state attorney, if it is the wish of the majority or not, one could only find that out if a referendum took place

[Biggles]

Thank you for the kind words Busyman. I agree, orgasms are nature&#39;s little carrots to get us interested. If sex was unpleasant it might not catch on.

Alex H move to Scotland - you won&#39;t suffer from summer problems here.


To be fair to Arnie, I think he has cited legal chaos as his primary concern rather than the issue itself (although I am sure he has half an eye on the ratings).