Nader To Run Again

[clocker]

When is?

[Busyman]

Originally posted by clocker@23 February 2004 - 21:33
When is?

Right after the Democrats win.

Nader has been basically silent up until now.

He need to really get his word out enough that it WILL swing an enormous number to his side. Right now it's only enough to fuck shit up.

He needs to run as a Democrat. He would punish the other Dems in the primaries.

[clocker]

Nader has no more respect for the Democrats than he does for the Republicans.

Increasingly, they are the same party with different logos.

Why should he sully his platform by allying himself with them?

For instance, within 15 minutes of his announcement, he declared that yes, he was in favor of civil marriages for homosexuals.
No shillyshallying about...no public opinion polls, no focus groups.

After all these months have either Kerry or Edwards unequivically stated their position on this issue?

[hobbes]

Clocker,

Have you no understanding of politics? People who are forthright, thoughtful, and provide straight answers to questions couldn't win a bakesale.

This is the sordid political reality: lie, lie, lie , so as not to alienate any powerful group, no matter how stupid the individuals that comprise them are.

[muchspl2]

if he wants to endorse bush, he should just come out and say it
but seriously, he is the reason for the mess we are in

[Busyman]

Originally posted by clocker@23 February 2004 - 23:53
Nader has no more respect for the Democrats than he does for the Republicans.

Increasingly, they are the same party with different logos.

Why should he sully his platform by allying himself with them?

For instance, within 15 minutes of his announcement, he declared that yes, he was in favor of civil marriages for homosexuals.
No shillyshallying about...no public opinion polls, no focus groups.

After all these months have either Kerry or Edwards unequivically stated their position on this issue?

What's a civil marriage?

btw, I do like that about ole Ralphy Boy.

Unfortunately, as hobbes said, it doesn't win elections.

Politicking involves leaving certain issues "up in the air" with some bullshit answer.
That way you "appear" neutral and "appear" to leave it open for debate AFTER you win the election.
If you say what you feel too much, you shrink your supporters to a small minority that think EXACTLY the way you do and no one is going to like all your ideas.

Ex.
You start out fresh but then you are:

Anti-gay marriage- you've alienated most of the gay vote.
Pro-life- you've alienated most of the pro-choicers

You are shrinking

Gay marriage- "Well I'm still looking at the issues. Americans all want the benefits of sharing assssets and wealth with the one we love so it's something that needs to be addressed. BLAHBLAHBULLSHITANSWERBLAH"

You appear neutral since you have not taken a firm stance one way on the other. A gay voter may vote for you if he/she likes some issues you HAVE taken a stand on.
Notice earlier I said most. All gays don't consider marriage to be the greatest issue though. There was this gay writer on Bill Maher that liked Bush because of Bush's stance on national security so it's not cut and dry

....but most of it is simple logic.

The first step, clocker, is getting into office

........and then you tear shit up just like Bush.

[clocker]

I'm not sure...neither of my marriages was what I would call "civil".

A legal union as opposed to a religious ceremony.

[Busyman]

Originally posted by clocker@24 February 2004 - 01:14
I'm not sure...neither of my marriages was what I would call "civil".

A legal union as opposed to a religious ceremony.

Oh ok civil union.

Remember one major political nitpick is the use of the word marriage.

[j2k4]

Originally posted by Busyman@24 February 2004 - 01:00

........and then you tear shit up just like Bush.

I don't have time to get hip-deep in this right now cuz I have to swing back for tomorrow AM, but just for the hell of asking, Busyman, what exactly did Bush "tear up" before 9/11?

Please don't tell me you buy into that "I want Saddam's ass; he tried to kill my daddy!" story.

I'll try to post more tomorrow PM, as this is actually a helluva subject; speculation based on an admixture of idealism and reality-calls for real creative thinking.

[h1]

Originally posted by j2k4@24 February 2004 - 00:30
Please don't tell me you buy into that "I want Saddam's ass; he tried to kill my daddy!" story.

j2k4, a lot of evidence suggests the contrary, including Paul O'Neill's statements after "resigning." I'm sorry I'm not posting anything constructive but it's late ATM and I'll come back with something tomorrow.