Nader To Run Again

[clocker]

Originally posted by j2k4@23 February 2004 - 21:30
but just for the hell of asking, Busyman, what exactly did Bush "tear up" before 9/11?

Um...20 years of environmental protection laws?

[3RA1N1AC]

Originally posted by Busyman@23 February 2004 - 17:25
1. Nader doesn't have a chance in hell of winning and that's almost fact barring a miracle and I mean a real one.

2. Almost all Nader supporters are actually card carrying Democrats.

3. By him running, he siphons Democratic votes to him....but not enough to win but enough make everyone but Bush, lose!!!

1. true.

2. i'd vote for him (again). i'm not a card carrying democrat though.

3. good. maybe if he "sabotages" another election, the dems will eventually change their tune and try running a candidate worth voting for... or at least one who's significantly different from the republican candidate (in more aspects than merely having a better command of the english language).

[Alex H]

Oh come on people, Nader didn't "loose" Gore the last election. Bush rigged it! He won Florida by less than 500 votes, and many of those 500 were absentee vote from the military stamped AFTER election day. And is impartial relative Jeb had over 50 000 mainly back and hispanic people (and mainly democrat voters )wiped off the voting register because they may have been felons. Aparently is you had a similar name or the same birthday as a felon that was enough.

Google came up with over 65 000 hits for "Bush stole the election". Even Tony Bair's wife thinks so!

Here's another idea - Get off your fat arses and vote for someone who isn't the biggest threat to world peace since Khrushchev.

Hopefully Nader will make people sit up and take notice of the election now there is a real danger of Shrub getting back in - perhaps people will realize they don't like beeing shafted.

[Busyman]

Originally posted by Alex H@24 February 2004 - 06:54
Oh come on people, Nader didn't "loose" Gore the last election. Bush rigged it! He won Florida by less than 500 votes, and many of those 500 were absentee vote from the military stamped AFTER election day. And is impartial relative Jeb had over 50 000 mainly back and hispanic people (and mainly democrat voters )wiped off the voting register because they may have been felons. Aparently is you had a similar name or the same birthday as a felon that was enough.

Google came up with over 65 000 hits for "Bush stole the election". Even Tony Bair's wife thinks so!

Here's another idea - Get off your fat arses and vote for someone who isn't the biggest threat to world peace since Khrushchev.

Hopefully Nader will make people sit up and take notice of the election now there is a real danger of Shrub getting back in - perhaps people will realize they don't like beeing shafted.

True but Nader was a major fader besides Florida being an election law traitor.......

....Later

[Busyman]

Originally posted by 3RA1N1AC@24 February 2004 - 06:07
3. good. maybe if he "sabotages" another election, the dems will eventually change their tune and try running a candidate worth voting for... or at least one who's significantly different from the republican candidate (in more aspects than merely having a better command of the english language).

True but again...


Now ain't the time

[clocker]

Originally posted by Busyman@24 February 2004 - 04:12

True but again...


Now ain't the time

You keep saying that, but you don't say when this mythical "good time" might arrive.

It's taken decades for the American electoral process to ossify into the two party farce it is today.
Growing a viable three (or four) party system will take years.
If we don't start now then 2008 won't happen either.

[Busyman]

Originally posted by clocker+24 February 2004 - 11:40--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (clocker @ 24 February 2004 - 11:40)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Busyman@24 February 2004 - 04:12

True but again...


Now ain&#39;t the time

You keep saying that, but you don&#39;t say when this mythical "good time" might arrive.

It&#39;s taken decades for the American electoral process to ossify into the two party farce it is today.
Growing a viable three (or four) party system will take years.
If we don&#39;t start now then 2008 won&#39;t happen either. [/b][/quote]
And again I say after the election.

Where is Nader&#39;s voice BETWEEN election times. Where&#39;s his rallying cry?

Why won&#39;t Nader run as a Democrat? The name? Endorsements?

He doesn&#39;t get endorsements from key Democrats now. Imagine if he ran as one.

The reason I don&#39;t vote for Nader is because it IS a wasted vote.

He does support most of my personal agendas but one key one is left out.....

By voting for him I put Bush in office. POINT BLANK. ......and that is the opposite of my personal agenda.

If he gave me an easy out that speaks to the masses....let&#39;s say trounce on other Dems by running as one....then I think he&#39;d be a shoe in for President.

[j2k4]

On second thought, having read Alex&#39;s post, and judging from the visceral, reactionary expressions of "hopelessness" here, I don&#39;t think I have anything to add.

There isn&#39;t enough "what if?" in this thread; if I were to express my misgivings about the system as it is, and the manifold weaknesses of both major parties, plus the inherent fecklessness of any potential third-party effort, not to mention the exclusionary election machinery and the role the media plays in corrupting the entire process, I would have to write one of those books that even I don&#39;t like to read.

[Rat Faced]

I particularly liked The Gore Exception Alex

[clocker]

Originally posted by Busyman@24 February 2004 - 09:01


The reason I don&#39;t vote for Nader is because it IS a wasted vote.

So this is what we&#39;ve come to.

I read today an interview with a guy who has put up an anti-Nader website.

When asked, he said "Oh no, Nader is right on all the issues, but he&#39;ll cause Bush to win".

We have a quality candidate, who is not afraid to position himself on unpopular issues, yet we are somehow irresponsible if we vote for him.

Do you guys hear what you sound like?

We need a political outsider...look how well the pros have handled things lately.