Bush And The Constitution

[j2k4]

Originally posted by haxor41789@26 February 2004 - 03:14
Just because we don't accept something doesn't mean it's wrong.

In my opinion, this is almost the very same thing as McCarthyism or racism.

Then I'm sure you can see the point of those who wish the term marriage to remain as it is, yes?

It would follow (from your statement) that, even though gays would prefer the term "marriage", that they would have to accede to this wish, I think.

As for your inclusion of racism as analogous: Sure, why not?

As for McCarthyism, best leave that one off the list; research would reveal it to be largely a myth.

In any case, we're talking gay, not Communist.

[Busyman]

Originally posted by vidcc+25 February 2004 - 23:54--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (vidcc @ 25 February 2004 - 23:54)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-sk8er789@25 February 2004 - 16:30
being gay is a decision that the person made they have a choice to be gay i have no problem with that.what i have a problem with is them thinking that a maraige is for anyone. its not.period.

there is not a choice to be gay, they are or are not, the choice only comes as to acting on it or not. I have posted this before,homosexuality is when someone is sexually attracted to same sex one is no less gay because one decides to be celebate just as one is no less hetrosexual because one is a virgin [/b][/quote]
There are many gays that would disagree with you.

You guys kill me how you pigeon hole everyone in a category.

GAY | STRAIGHT | BISEXUAL?

What about when a gay male has sex with a female?

Oh nnnnnnoooooo he&#39;s still gay ......or is he bisexual?

What about the women that fucked other women in college but only in college?
Now she&#39;s been happily married for 15 years.

Oh nnnnooooooo she&#39;s............ bisexual?

Gays have a term for someone previously gay there called "has beens".

What makes someone attracted to the same sex anyway?

The way they comb their hair? The fact they have a pussy or dick? Their mannerisms?

Sorry but some of what attracts one person to another IS environment.
I guess some gay women wear their hair like a boy because they were born to wear their hair that way?

No they like women and men like women so they imitate what they see as normal for a person that likes women. A man is used as a stencil.

No one here has given proof that, in regards to sexuality, you just don&#39;t like what you like.

All you can say is well research has shown...........

well........nothing

Well the most promising research...........

hasn&#39;t kept a promise

[ilw]

what possible reason could you have for not allowing gays to officially use the word marriage? I&#39;m sure there will eventually be a slang word for gay marriage, but it makes perfect sense in my book to generally just use the same word. Perhaps you have a penchant for tick boxes on forms?

[NotoriousBIC]

Originally posted by j2k4+26 February 2004 - 06:41--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (j2k4 @ 26 February 2004 - 06:41)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-haxor41789@26 February 2004 - 03:14
Just because we don&#39;t accept something doesn&#39;t mean it&#39;s wrong.

In my opinion, this is almost the very same thing as McCarthyism or racism.

Then I&#39;m sure you can see the point of those who wish the term marriage to remain as it is, yes?

It would follow (from your statement) that, even though gays would prefer the term "marriage", that they would have to accede to this wish, I think. [/b][/quote]
I think you&#39;re confusing marriage in the legal sense and marriage in the religious sense.
Gays want the same rights as hetero couples. The rights being the same legal advantages which come from marriage.
I think they don&#39;t give a rat&#39;s ass (Sorry RF) about how it&#39;s called, so why is it so important to you?

That&#39;s why they&#39;re focusing on the Civil Union and that it&#39;s essentially the same as marriage in the legal sense.

[atiVidia]

if its their environment that is corrupt then QUARANTINE ALL KIDS OF GAY PARENTS&#33;&#33;&#33;


but i kno that some of it is hormone based




if it is an environmental issue, then it CAN be fixed MORE EASILY&#33;




yes, i AM a homophobe so... I believe that homosexuality is against god. I also believe that it is impossible to have a homosexual loyal to god.


I rest my case.

[j2k4]

Originally posted by NotoriousBIC+26 February 2004 - 09:35--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (NotoriousBIC &#064; 26 February 2004 - 09:35)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by j2k4@26 February 2004 - 06:41
<!--QuoteBegin-haxor41789

@26 February 2004 - 03:14
Just because we don&#39;t accept something doesn&#39;t mean it&#39;s wrong.

In my opinion, this is almost the very same thing as McCarthyism or racism.

Then I&#39;m sure you can see the point of those who wish the term marriage to remain as it is, yes?

It would follow (from your statement) that, even though gays would prefer the term "marriage", that they would have to accede to this wish, I think.

I think you&#39;re confusing marriage in the legal sense and marriage in the religious sense.
Gays want the same rights as hetero couples. The rights being the same legal advantages which come from marriage.
I think they don&#39;t give a rat&#39;s ass (Sorry RF) about how it&#39;s called, so why is it so important to you?

That&#39;s why they&#39;re focusing on the Civil Union and that it&#39;s essentially the same as marriage in the legal sense.[/b][/quote]
I am not confusing anything, Notorious.

Do you propose splitting the definition somehow to reflect a difference between a religious and a non-religious marriage?

If I read your post correctly, you say gays (you don&#39;t think; actually, neither do I) don&#39;t give a Rat&#39;s ass (once again: sorry, Rat Faced) about what their union is called; if this is true, why is it they insist on "marriage"?

I think the rhetorical leaders of this advocacy are taking the gay population for a bit of a ride on this point, much as Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton (Reverends, both ) insist on telling blacks what is good for them without prior consult.

ilw-

1. A possible (and legitimate, these days) reason for wishing to keep marriage "as is" might be purely wishing it to remain so.

2. Why should gays settle for a slang term to describe their relationships? For the record, if such a term does arise to popular use, rest assured I will remain in favor of whatever term is used for legal description.

3. I have an abiding aversion to both tick boxes and forms; would you like to start a movement to outlaw them?

I will enlist the gay crowd in this effort if you will take care of the rest.

[ilw]

if its their environment that is corrupt then QUARANTINE ALL KIDS OF GAY PARENTS&#33;&#33;&#33;

Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

But seriously

I also believe that it is impossible to have a homosexual loyal to god.

Is this anyone who has homosexual urges or just practicing homosexuals?
Whatever its cause, are homosexual people not innocent, should they be doomed to live repressed lives or go to hell (or the equivalent punishment in your religion)?


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[clocker]

Originally posted by atiVidia@26 February 2004 - 10:09





yes, i AM a homophobe so... I believe that homosexuality is against god. I also believe that it is impossible to have a homosexual loyal to god.


I rest my case.

Know many priests?

Your case isn&#39;t resting.
It is comatose.

[Busyman]

Originally posted by NotoriousBIC@26 February 2004 - 08:35
Gays want the same rights as hetero couples. The rights being the same legal advantages which come from marriage.
I think they don&#39;t give a rat&#39;s ass (Sorry RF) about how it&#39;s called, so why is it so important to you?

That&#39;s why they&#39;re focusing on the Civil Union and that it&#39;s essentially the same as marriage in the legal sense.

Civil unions discriminate against single heterosexual single couples.



btw, If gay couples are granted marriage then marriage has no gender barrier.

When does it end?

Polygamists will argue then that marriage should not have a number attached to it.
Why can&#39;t I marry more than one wife?
What rationale would you come up with as to why not?
If this is then granted, then is there a limit to the number?

[vidcc]

Busyman

your response was just being pedantic. we could go into all kinds of examples about "what if"
the point of my post was that there is no choice to be WHATEVER you are but there is a choice as to acting on it.
I am not pigeon holeing anyone but on this topic we are talking specifically about gay people
All this apart we are getting off the topic which was Bush wanting to use the constitution to deny equal rights to American citizens..wheather you agree with the rights or not doesn&#39;t matter, he is still going against everything the American freedom way of life stands for