Bush And The Constitution

[atiVidia]

Originally posted by junkyardking@26 February 2004 - 19:12
Civil Union (marriage) and Religious marriage are just the same thing except for the religous content; marriage is not an exclusive term that only religious people can use

well help me out here: arent couples wed with help from god?

that seems pretty religious to me. marriage should not be raped by the anals of society. God did not create gays, society did, and society will fix the problems which came from it.

btw I decide when I rest my case and NO one else!

[hobbes]

Originally posted by atiVidia+27 February 2004 - 06:17--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (atiVidia @ 27 February 2004 - 06:17)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-junkyardking@26 February 2004 - 19:12
Civil Union (marriage) and Religious marriage are just the same thing except for the religous content; marriage is not an exclusive term that only religious people can use

well help me out here: arent couples wed with help from god?

that seems pretty religious to me. marriage should not be raped by the anals of society. God did not create gays, society did, and society will fix the problems which came from it.

btw I decide when I rest my case and NO one else&#33; [/b][/quote]
A fool is counted amongst the wise when he is silent.

BTW, when you present a case, you must give evidence not an opinion. You are resting on your own ignorance.

[vidcc]

Originally posted by atiVidia@26 February 2004 - 21:17
well help me out here: arent couples wed with help from god?

I didn&#39;t get married in church and i am a doubter of gods existance...are you suggesting that all these years i have not been married to my wonderful wife and my 3 children and the one on the way are illigitimate?
i have asked on another topic if someone can tell me just how a gay marriage not involving you could be detrimental to YOUR life personally, apart from something happening that you don&#39;t like....perhaps you could answer that one for me
Also i stated this topic is not about you agreeing with gay marriage, it is about the use of the constitution to deny freedom, liberty and justice to a group of tax paying americans

[clocker]

Ooooo, how very impressive.
All part of a "well regulated militia", no doubt.

Wonder if any of &#39;em are gay?

[vidcc]

Originally posted by clocker@26 February 2004 - 21:43
Ooooo, how very impressive.
All part of a "well regulated militia", no doubt.

Wonder if any of &#39;em are gay?

huh???? :helpsmile:

[junkyardking]

Originally posted by atiVidia@27 February 2004 - 05:17

well help me out here: arent couples wed with help from god?

that seems pretty religious to me. marriage should not be raped by the anals of society. God did not create gays, society did, and society will fix the problems which came from it.

btw I decide when I rest my case and NO one else&#33;

Well no.....

Civil unions (marriage) are related to law....

There&#39;s also alot of other religions which have marriage and have nothing to do with god, pagans for instance and no, pagans don’t worship the devil no matter how many Christians like to think so, they believe in the forces of nature.....


And thirdly I am an atheist, so there is no god.......

[clocker]

Originally posted by vidcc+26 February 2004 - 21:46--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (vidcc @ 26 February 2004 - 21:46)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-clocker@26 February 2004 - 21:43
Ooooo, how very impressive.
All part of a "well regulated militia", no doubt.

Wonder if any of &#39;em are gay?

huh???? :helpsmile: [/b][/quote]
I was commenting on Whiterook&#39;s link regarding his views on gun control.
Sometimes this forum moves too quickly for my deliberately ponderous posting pace ( kinda catchy, no?).

[Busyman]

Originally posted by hobbes+26 February 2004 - 21:23--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (hobbes &#064; 26 February 2004 - 21:23)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by Busyman@26 February 2004 - 20:14


Civil unions discriminate against single heterosexual single couples.

You could not defend this statement the first time you said it, repeating yourself does not make it correct this time. How is it descriminatory against heterosexual couples?

From my response the first time:

The origin of the "civil union" was to give gays the same rights as heterosexual married couples but without using the word "married", which the Christian church feels to have proprietary rights over. It actually doesn&#39;t give the same rights, it gives less.

A homosexual couple cannot get married, a heterosexual couple can get married or have a civil union. Since a civil union has many disadvantages and NO advantages over marriage, why would they?

Just because 2 gay men live together, it is not just a cost free option to take advantage of the system, it comes with certain obligations as well. This is why both gay and hetero couples who are not sure about their devotion are not "united", they want to be able to leave free and clear, if they desire.

[/b]

hobbes dude.........what are you talking about?

I answered the first time in the Pro-Gay Marriage Thread&#33;&#33;&#33;
Are you reading or what?

Here was my response ...again for the blind, hearing impaired, or whatever&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

<!--QuoteBegin-Busyman @ 20 February 2004 &#045; 01:29
A civil union is not marriage hobbes so all of what YOU said has nothing to do with what I said. Notice before that I said gay marriage AND civil unions. Civil unions are a compromise to give homosexuals the benefits of marriage without it being called MARRIAGE. My being against civil unions is actually a catch-22: I&#39;m against gay marriage but a heterosexual couple would not be allowed a civil union so why should gays. Again, please read what I&#39;m actually talking about if you are going to nitpick[/quote]

Again, please read what I&#39;m actually talking about if you are going to nitpick.

[Alex H]

Does it scare anyone else that there are people out there with that kind of hardware?

[Busyman]

Originally posted by Alex H@27 February 2004 - 03:49
Does it scare anyone else that there are people out there with that kind of hardware?

No because the same gun laws have been in place for ages.

I got a stray bullet in my car while at a stop light. That&#39;s scary&#33;&#33;&#33;