The Matrix Trilogy Explained !

[Tetsujn]

Originally posted by Busyman+16 March 2004 - 06:01--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Busyman @ 16 March 2004 - 06:01)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Tetsujn@16 March 2004 - 01:35
ure not dumb because u dont like it ure dumb because u make childish insults and slurs at it for the most moronic reasons.

What you mean calling a movie full of shit?

......and that makes me unintelligent? [/b][/quote]
well it certainly doesent help u gain any support. ppl arent gonna take you seriously if all u do is insult a movie through vulgar disses and such.

[Cheese]

Originally posted by Tetsujn+16 March 2004 - 07:59--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Tetsujn &#064; 16 March 2004 - 07:59)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by Busyman@16 March 2004 - 06:01
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@16 March 2004 - 01:35
ure not dumb because u dont like it ure dumb because u make childish insults and slurs at it for the most moronic reasons.

What you mean calling a movie full of shit?

......and that makes me unintelligent?

well it certainly doesent help u gain any support. ppl arent gonna take you seriously if all u do is insult a movie through vulgar disses and such. [/b][/quote]
Okay, I found the Matrix movies to be rather contrived. They really don&#39;t hold up to close scrutiny it was an action movie that tried to be something more.

The biggest mistake they made with The Matrix was to make three films...the first should have been all there was. But the great cash cow in the sky decreed they make some more money from it.

They then tried to "explain" The Matrix and thus doing so took all the mystery from the first film...I can&#39;t even watch the first film now because they spoilt it for me.

But even if I was a huge fan of The Matrix I would be prepared to take criticism of it, and would look for faults myself. As part of my English degree I know it is important to do this with texts, to blindly express your devotion to something without noting its faults is just silly.

edit: I have read this whole thread the whole way through (no bandwagon jumping for me), whatever happened to using your own imagination to define what happened in a film? Do you really need the explanation of someone else to define a film? Sometimes even the writers/directors don&#39;t truly know the story they are telling and it is up to the viewer to decide the story.

edit2: The initial explanation is quite good btw, some of it doesn&#39;t stand up imo though.

[unreal_dude]

I know what WOULD have happened.
I also gleaned that the previous versions of the One might have done just that and that might explain why there were no humans in real world that knew of previous Ones.

It still doesn&#39;t explain Neo&#39;s rationale behind saying what he said. How did you get this "distraction" bit from his one sentence?

I just got that Neo deemed only 23 people being saved and Trinity dying was simply unacceptable. That is all.

Explain the rest of my questions...if you so choose.

Yeah&#33; The previous versions of the one just did that. OK lets not get into that.

During the neo and the architect conversation, the architect clearly mentions that the door to the right leads to the source which would allow "The one" program that neo carries to be inserted into the source and cause the matrix to be reloaded. If this would happen all the humans in zion would be killed anyways and 23 individuals from the matrix 16 females and 7 males would be selected to rebuild the matrix. Then if Neo choose the left door it would lead him back to Trinity and he would be able to save her and also buy them some time since the matrix cannot be reloaded without "the one" program.

However the architect wants neo to go to the source so he says that if he doesnt go to the source it will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing all ppl connected to the matrix plus he said that the machines will neways destroy Zion.

While this talk is going on neo realises that the prophecy would be true but not in the sense that he intended...i.e. The one will save every1 in zion. Although zion will be saved but with only 23 ppl while the rest would simply be killed. This is the time he realises that the one program is just another mean or form of control, since all the ppl in zion believe that the one is their saviour even morpheus (poor morpheus) and will probably concentrate on fact that the one will save them rather than they themselves concentrating on their wars against the machines &#33;&#33;

[unreal_dude]

But even if I was a huge fan of The Matrix I would be prepared to take criticism of it, and would look for faults myself. As part of my English degree I know it is important to do this with texts, to blindly express your devotion to something without noting its faults is just silly.

edit: I have read this whole thread the whole way through (no bandwagon jumping for me), whatever happened to using your own imagination to define what happened in a film? Do you really need the explanation of someone else to define a film? Sometimes even the writers/directors don&#39;t truly know the story they are telling and it is up to the viewer to decide the story.

edit2: The initial explanation is quite good btw, some of it doesn&#39;t stand up imo though.

Ya criticism is welcome too dude, but then if you say "hey dude the matrix sucked balls"
without thinking twice or even seeing the movie. it&#39;s kinda unintelligent &#33;&#33; Correct criticism is welcome but using slang bad mouthing and calling oneself a critic isn&#39;t cool.
Nobody is blindly expressing devotion to anythng. Nobody has time for doing that man &#33;&#33;
But to blindly criticise the movie cuz someone thinks it 2 b a action movie but turned out sumthng else isnt that intelligent.

If you look beyond all this stunts, the symbolism, those cool glasses ...i think the movie has a important theme to it ......that is that human kind creates it&#39;s own problems, We are our enemies.......Also we have become so dependent on machines that we cannot live without them now. Just a thought &#33;&#33;

Hey man thnks that you found the explanation good. Btw if you have some suggestions u r welcome &#33;&#33; B)

[Cheese]

Hey withcheese y dont u shove that review up ur ass

looks like even they were drunk while watching and i am 100% sure that they thought they were watching The Matrix Revolutions but instead were watching GIGLI

{your above questions only prove you r the biggest dumbass (as i have stated this line before but it seems like your intelligence is too low since u didnt understand my last post-Mr. Busyman)}

Cheers Marshell, I just noticed this. You&#39;ll make a great addition to the board.

Here&#39;s a quick piece of advice: When you decide to insult someone&#39;s intelligence try not to sound like a 9-year-old AOLer it just doesn&#39;t do your cause much good. Maddox (the review) makes some good points in his piece (though I admit his language is quite colourful).

@unreal_dude: The Matrix is an action movie whith delusions of being more, there is an important theme behind it all, but most movies have themes. That doesn&#39;t make the Matrix any better imo.

In regards to childish insults I have to say if you are referring to Busyman then as far as I can see he has at least backed them up with some evidence. There are a few people in this thread that are capable of proper debate about a film and there are those who just seem to take exception to the fact that we watched a film, understood it and didn&#39;t particularly think it worked. They themselves are throwing around childish taunts.

Besides Busyman smells.

[Busyman]

Originally posted by Withcheese@16 March 2004 - 08:08

Hey withcheese y dont u shove that review up ur ass

looks like even they were drunk while watching and i am 100% sure that they thought they were watching The Matrix Revolutions but instead were watching GIGLI

{your above questions only prove you r the biggest dumbass (as i have stated this line before but it seems like your intelligence is too low since u didnt understand my last post-Mr. Busyman)}

Cheers Marshell, I just noticed this. You&#39;ll make a great addition to the board.

Here&#39;s a quick piece of advice: When you decide to insult someone&#39;s intelligence try not to sound like a 9-year-old AOLer it just doesn&#39;t do your cause much good. Maddox (the review) makes some good points in his piece (though I admit his language is quite colourful).

@unreal_dude: The Matrix is an action movie whith delusions of being more, there is an important theme behind it all, but most movies have themes. That doesn&#39;t make the Matrix any better imo.

In regards to childish insults I have to say if you are referring to Busyman then as far as I can see he has at least backed them up with some evidence. There are a few people in this thread that are capable of proper debate about a film and there are those who just seem to take exception to the fact that we watched a film, understood it and didn&#39;t particularly think it worked. They themselves are throwing around childish taunts.

Besides Busyman smells.

*sniff* *sniff* I reallllly didn&#39;t wash today

[unreal_dude]

Originally posted by Withcheese@16 March 2004 - 17:38

Hey withcheese y dont u shove that review up ur ass

looks like even they were drunk while watching and i am 100% sure that they thought they were watching The Matrix Revolutions but instead were watching GIGLI

{your above questions only prove you r the biggest dumbass (as i have stated this line before but it seems like your intelligence is too low since u didnt understand my last post-Mr. Busyman)}

Cheers Marshell, I just noticed this. You&#39;ll make a great addition to the board.

Here&#39;s a quick piece of advice: When you decide to insult someone&#39;s intelligence try not to sound like a 9-year-old AOLer it just doesn&#39;t do your cause much good. Maddox (the review) makes some good points in his piece (though I admit his language is quite colourful).

@unreal_dude: The Matrix is an action movie whith delusions of being more, there is an important theme behind it all, but most movies have themes. That doesn&#39;t make the Matrix any better imo.

In regards to childish insults I have to say if you are referring to Busyman then as far as I can see he has at least backed them up with some evidence. There are a few people in this thread that are capable of proper debate about a film and there are those who just seem to take exception to the fact that we watched a film, understood it and didn&#39;t particularly think it worked. They themselves are throwing around childish taunts.

Besides Busyman smells.

"WE" did both of u guys watch the movie together&#33;&#33; and came up on single conclusion that it sucked. Is it so.......cuz ur post makes me fell that way.

Btw if u guys still believe that the matrix wasnt good.............then apparently it is fine. Although i tried sincerely 2 make it simple for u to unserstand &#33; But then it&#39;s upto the person whether or not he or she wants to accept or reject somebdys elses suggestions.

So from now on i m gonna save my efforts and time and stop explaining to certain ppl ..... And oh btw i was explaining it cuz the next time u guys might decide to watch the movie you might just appreciate it for what it is.

[Cheese]

What&#39;s wrong with our thinking the film "sucked"? I for one thought the last two films were a missed opportunity, they could have been so much better but the Wac brothers took the film in the wrong direction imo. <---------Notice this bit.

I have every respect for your liking of the film and I can see the appeal to some degree so please don&#39;t speak to me like I&#39;m a child I don&#39;t think I&#39;ve warranted that with my postings.

Somethings that displeased me about the Matrix sequels

As Busyman pointed out the battle scenes in the "real" were implausible the machines should have owned.

The character of Merovingian was criminally under used, he was the true mirror to Neo imo not Agent Smith. Alongside the Architect he is one of the most interesting characters in the film, but no sooner had they grabbed my interest than they were gone.

The mythology and philosophy of the original movie was missing from the sequels.

Morpheus became pretty much a joke character, he was the man in the first film but was little more than a side kick to Naeobi.


This last point isn&#39;t really related to the others but when I first heard about the Matrix sequels I thought great. Then when I heard that Agent Smith was going to be in it I thought, "That&#39;s a mistake, recurring bad guys are all good fun but they tend to dominate the film." It would be strange to imagine how the Matrix sequels would have worked without Agent Smith...I&#39;ve said this before but I think the Wac brothers just didnt have the guts to take their story to the next level and instead kept to the tried and tested formula of the first film.

Essentially, with some embellishments, they retold the first story.

edit: And no I didn&#39;t watch the film with Busyman, I think this Matrix thing is one of the few things we actually do agree on and this dates back to his great thread "The Matrix sucks - Now read this shit" (or something like that). Besides, as previously noted, he smells.

[marshall]

Originally posted by unreal_dude@16 March 2004 - 12:30

"WE" did both of u guys watch the movie together&#33;&#33; and came up on single conclusion that it sucked. Is it so.......cuz ur post makes me fell that way.

Btw if u guys still believe that the matrix wasnt good.............then apparently it is fine. Although i tried sincerely 2 make it simple for u to unserstand &#33; But then it&#39;s upto the person whether or not he or she wants to accept or reject somebdys elses suggestions.

So from now on i m gonna save my efforts and time and stop explaining to certain ppl ..... And oh btw i was explaining it cuz the next time u guys might decide to watch the movie you might just appreciate it for what it is.

Good Decision
:gunsmile:

[marshall]

Originally posted by Withcheese @ 16 March 2004 &#045; 17:38+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Withcheese @ 16 March 2004 &#045; 17:38)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
In regards to childish insults I have to say if you are referring to Busyman then as far as I can see he has at least backed them up with some evidence. There are a few people in this thread that are capable of proper debate about a film and there are those who just seem to take exception to the fact that we watched a film, understood it and didn&#39;t particularly think it worked. They themselves are throwing around childish taunts.
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ya i know with wht evidence he has backed his views

it seems to me like u people will never understand the matrix since u r stuck with the action, stunts of the matrix in your head and cant think beyond it i.e. the meaning of the matrix triology

therefore imo it is a complete waste of time explaining the matrix triology to u
and as far as childish is concerned we already know who is childish u dont have to say ne thing.

atleast you said something right
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