The Matrix Trilogy Explained !

[unreal_dude]

This last point isn't really related to the others but when I first heard about the Matrix sequels I thought great. Then when I heard that Agent Smith was going to be in it I thought, "That's a mistake, recurring bad guys are all good fun but they tend to dominate the film." It would be strange to imagine how the Matrix sequels would have worked without Agent Smith...I've said this before but I think the Wac brothers just didnt have the guts to take their story to the next level and instead kept to the tried and tested formula of the first film.

Btw the WB had announced that they were gonna make the matrix a trilogy much b4 filming The matrix.

And btw while watching the movie did u know or ever hear that Agent smith is the systemic anomaly and that the one program was also created so as to balance this anomaly plus other reasons. And the smith in the matrix has seen all 6 versions of the matrix. So in every version never has Neo been able to defeat him except for now. Only difference now was that he was able 2 clone himself !!

Actually the wac bros had alotm of guts and took the story to a much deeper level ( the rabbit hole runs much deeper) and made it quite diffrent frm your usual hollywood movies. But then ppl just cudnt digest the fact that a movie cud end in such a way !!


Your tried and tested formulae works in a lot of other movies like LOTR series (btw i m a huge fan too), minority report etc etc.

[unreal_dude]

The character of Merovingian was criminally under used, he was the true mirror to Neo imo not Agent Smith. Alongside the Architect he is one of the most interesting characters in the film, but no sooner had they grabbed my interest than they were gone.

The mythology and philosophy of the original movie was missing from the sequels.

The character of merovingian was criminally underused .........oh you mean they shud have had a fight sequence with him .........guns blazing and all or shud we have a chase sequence !!

Agrees the architect was a interesting dude but then his part was good enuf and plus that conversation was pretty important. Ofcourse by your post you mean to say he shud have got more footage afterall he is the one who created the MATRIX isn't it ??

btw can you explain to me wot mythology and philosophy were you looking for in the sequels that weren't present here !! And also since you saw the Matrix as a ACTION movie .........wot kind of philosophy or mythology did you really see in it !!

[unreal_dude]

Btw i just got this thru e-mail. This guy has kept it very very simple. Kudos !!
I am posting this for all 2 read !!

The Matrix through my eyes and mine only

Zion is real! The Matrix is not.
Zion: The last human city. In the Old Testament, Zion refers to the royal capital of David

Matrix: It’ a computer program used to imprison mankind. The Matrix is a virtual-reality program hard-wired into the human brain to deceive mankind about this truth. The Matrix was designed to provide a mental stimulus for the human bodies connected to the machines as a source of power. This is the sixth version of the Matrix. There have been multiple versions of the Matrix because of a flaw in the program. The first Matrix was designed as a uptopia (perfect world) but humans did not accept it as real, so they just kept waking up. It was redesigned to reflect our civilization at it's last stage before it was taken over by the machines (the year 1999).

The Architect's problem with this new design of the Matrix is that it require individuals to think freely, i.e. choice. It was the Oracle that suggested he redesign the Matrix in this way. But since humans have choices, so must the programs (Agents) sent to watch over them, thus bringing us the problem that is Mr. Smith (a rogue agent) . In Reloaded ,The Architect continues to speak of the anomaly he is unable to get rid of, which is why at some point, he feels the only solution is to destroy the Matrix and those who are aware of it (the people of Zion) and start over again.



Who is Thomas Anderson and Neo?

By day, Thomas Anderson is a cubicle-bound software programmer. Depressed and having no purpose in life, and wishing that somehow everything that you’ve known all your life is a lie, and in fact you have some great purpose, some fantastic reason to live and the chance to do something with your life.

So enters Neo (Thomas’ fantasy) , as our sympathetic hero , gets that chance, and the rest of the story is about that dream coming true.
By night, he's a computer hacker known as “Neo” with troubling questions about reality. A rebel group led by Morpheus recruits Neo and offers him a chance to discover the truth about the Matrix. Once Neo is unplugged from the Matrix and realizes that humans are slaves to an empire of man-made, intelligent machines. Neo reluctantly accepts his mission to free the human race.





What or Who is “The One” ? Is it Neo? Does it really matters?

The Oracle says it clearly in Revolutions. Mr. Smith is the result of the anomoly trying to balance itself. Mr. Smith begins to think freely (see part I where he is freaking out while interrogating Morpheous) and the result was a negative one. “The One” is a program which was created to solve this problem. But each version of the One ultimately failed.

Mr Smith is a similar program to “The One” . Mr. Smith's virus like behavior happened in EVERY VERSION OF THE MATRIX. The result would always lead to the same thing -- a system crash if they didn't quickly reboot the system.


Onto Revolution:

Neo is different, Is he “The One” ? It doesn’t matter if he is or not. All we know is that many people believe in Neo. In Reloaded he choose the door that led to Trinity, not the door that RESETS the program. Note: The Architect even noticed that Neo's experience in the Matrix was different than all the rest, realizing he was the first of them to fall in love which makes him unique.

Neo's choice has changed everything. The system is still threatened by Smith's behavior, so the Oracle makes a new choice; one she has never done before because no version of the One has ever chosen the difficult path as opposed to easy one of just resetting the system. She allows herself to become merged with Smith in the HOPE that she'll be able to help Neo when the time is right.

Neo makes another unique choice. He goes to the machines and asks for PEACE as opposed to simply destroying the system by going through the opposite door as all other versions of the One did. It was a simple as that to save Zion. Machines don't need very long to recognize that this may be a better idea than just constantly resetting the system. So the machines allow Neo to be plugged in.

At the end, Smith says to Neo the movies tagline - "Everything that has a beginning has an end," as the Oracle is speaking to Neo through Smith. Neo realizes it all along, the only way to end this is to sacrifice himself.

The Oracle noted that by Neo and “ the Source” (which is the computer mainframe, the Architect are all one and the same) are connected, he can control machines outside the Matrix. He uses this connection to his advantage. He becomes a Mr. Smith and since all the Smith's are connected, the Source now has a lock on Smith and simply deletes him.


What is the meaning of the Matrix trilogy:
The important ending of this triology is the machines wanted desperately to get along with man. They made several attempts to do so, but were rejected so they lashed out. Through Neo, it is possible that the machines now realize that man is READY to make peace with the machines and therefore they can live in harmony. It is no longer man seeing themselves as the creator. Neo said it best when he said, "So we need the machines and they need us."

Man creates his own problem and is the only one able to solve them. The human race's enemy isn't the machines but the human race itself.

Thanks for a wild ride , WB

[Cheese]

Originally posted by marshall+16 March 2004 - 13:27--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (marshall &#064; 16 March 2004 - 13:27)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by Withcheese @ 16 March 2004 &#045; 17:38@

In regards to childish insults I have to say if you are referring to Busyman then as far as I can see he has at least backed them up with some evidence. There are a few people in this thread that are capable of proper debate about a film and there are those who just seem to take exception to the fact that we watched a film, understood it and didn&#39;t particularly think it worked. They themselves are throwing around childish taunts.

ya i know with wht evidence he has backed his views

it seems to me like u people will never understand the matrix since u r stuck with the action, stunts of the matrix in your head and cant think beyond it i.e. the meaning of the matrix triology

therefore imo it is a complete waste of time explaining the matrix triology to u
and as far as childish is concerned we already know who is childish u dont have to say ne thing.

atleast you said something right
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Besides Busyman smells.

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How have you deduced that I didn&#39;t understand the films, as I&#39;ve previously stated I understood them and came to my own conclusions when I watched the films about what happened. It&#39;s all very subjective and the explanations that have been posted here are all very interesting and I can see where they are coming from.

I&#39;ve taken the time to read each and every post. I understood the film, didn&#39;t enjoy them. End of story. I don&#39;t see why you feel the need to insult me, perhaps you are feeling insecure in yourself?

I&#39;ve enjoyed reading the various insights into the film and can appreciate what people feel the film means. But as I&#39;ve said before this is people&#39;s opinions on the matter, there is no "right" answer, the great thing about films/books/etc is that we get to use our imagination with them.

@unreal_dude:

The character of merovingian was criminally underused .........oh you mean they shud have had a fight sequence with him .........guns blazing and all or shud we have a chase sequence &#33;&#33;

There you go talking to me like a child again...sad because I thought you were an intelligent poster. Anyhow, I just think that Merovingian could have played an important role in helping Neo find the secrets of the Matrix, after all he was once idealistic like Neo. I&#39;m not hung up on action scenes and actually found the action scenes in Matrix Revolutions kind of boring...the most interesting scenes in the two sequels were the scenes with the architect and Merovingian.

People seem hostile to any criticism of these films, I haven&#39;t actually been hostile myself (at least I don&#39;t believe I have). I didn&#39;t hate these films not by a long way, in fact I could watch them again. I just feel they weren&#39;t as good as they could have been, if they had stuck to just the first film that would have been just grand for me. The sequels took the shine off the first one for me.

[Tetsujn]

the thing is u think u understand it but u do not. u ask the questions which have been answered throughout the movie but u do not follow their explantion. for example someone on an IMDB board said the movie sucked because merv didnt reveal how he got neo into Mobil Ave. um, ok how&#39;s this for him revealing it:

Merv: "I am curious though as to how he was actualy trapped. Do you know?" Trinity: "No."
Merv: "I did not think so."

it is obvious he didnt trap him in there. the power of the source (i.e Neo: "Tell me how I was able to stop 4 sentinals just by thinking. Tell me just what the hell is happening to me." Oracle: "You touched the source") somehow trapped him in there.Merv merely kept him. Then someone asked why the hell Merv wanted the eyes of the oracle. they said that was a plot hole. How about this:

Neo: What does he want? (reffering to Merv in Reloaded)
Oracle: What do all me with power want? More power.

these are but one of a million n00b questions. It goes to show the ignorence of some people. which is why i dont even bother picking apart your posts for the sheer fact of proving u wrong when u&#39;ll never accept that you just may be looking at the movie through the wrong way.

[Cheese]

Originally posted by Tetsujn@16 March 2004 - 18:12
the thing is u think u understand it but u do not. u ask the questions which have been answered throughout the movie but u do not follow their explantion. for example someone on an IMDB board said the movie sucked because merv didnt reveal how he got neo into Mobil Ave. um, ok how&#39;s this for him revealing it:

Merv: "I am curious though as to how he was actualy trapped. Do you know?" Trinity: "No."
Merv: "I did not think so."

it is obvious he didnt trap him in there. the power of the source (i.e Neo: "Tell me how I was able to stop 4 sentinals just by thinking. Tell me just what the hell is happening to me." Oracle: "You touched the source") somehow trapped him in there.Merv merely kept him. Then someone asked why the hell Merv wanted the eyes of the oracle. they said that was a plot hole. How about this:

Neo: What does he want? (reffering to Merv in Reloaded)
Oracle: What do all me with power want? More power.

these are but one of a million n00b questions. It goes to show the ignorence of some people. which is why i dont even bother picking apart your posts for the sheer fact of proving u wrong when u&#39;ll never accept that you just may be looking at the movie through the wrong way.

Those two points I picked up on in the film, I didn&#39;t need anyone to point that out for me. Is it really so hard to accept that I understood the film and thought it was a wasted opportunity? You guys seem to be taking this personally...please don&#39;t.

Feel free to pick apart my posts...but you will only be trying to force feed your own understanding of the film onto mine. Is one of us right and the other wrong? Or could it be that a film can be interpreted in more than one way, each no more right than the other?

btw what the hell? "n00b questions" Is there some sort of 1337 Matrix appreciation club that I&#39;m not aware of?

[Busyman]

...furthermore if a movie is that involved that a very high number of people "don&#39;t get it", that&#39;s the movie maker&#39;s fault not the audience.

Also after knowing these things there should be a satisfaction you get from it instead of a, "Awwww man&#33;&#33;&#33;".

I remember one thing that was mysterious about the first movie was Zion itself. Then when I actually saw it, I was like, "uh Ok". Not that Zion was bad or anything; I guess I was expecting something else.

[Tetsujn]

Originally posted by Withcheese+16 March 2004 - 19:28--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Withcheese @ 16 March 2004 - 19:28)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Tetsujn@16 March 2004 - 18:12
the thing is u think u understand it but u do not. u ask the questions which have been answered throughout the movie but u do not follow their explantion. for example someone on an IMDB board said the movie sucked because merv didnt reveal how he got neo into Mobil Ave. um, ok how&#39;s this for him revealing it:

Merv: "I am curious though as to how he was actualy trapped. Do you know?" Trinity: "No."
Merv: "I did not think so."

it is obvious he didnt trap him in there. the power of the source (i.e Neo: "Tell me how I was able to stop 4 sentinals just by thinking. Tell me just what the hell is happening to me." Oracle: "You touched the source") somehow trapped him in there.Merv merely kept him. Then someone asked why the hell Merv wanted the eyes of the oracle. they said that was a plot hole. How about this:

Neo: What does he want? (reffering to Merv in Reloaded)
Oracle: What do all me with power want? More power.

these are but one of a million n00b questions. It goes to show the ignorence of some people. which is why i dont even bother picking apart your posts for the sheer fact of proving u wrong when u&#39;ll never accept that you just may be looking at the movie through the wrong way.

Those two points I picked up on in the film, I didn&#39;t need anyone to point that out for me. Is it really so hard to accept that I understood the film and thought it was a wasted opportunity? You guys seem to be taking this personally...please don&#39;t.

Feel free to pick apart my posts...but you will only be trying to force feed your own understanding of the film onto mine. Is one of us right and the other wrong? Or could it be that a film can be interpreted in more than one way, each no more right than the other?

btw what the hell? "n00b questions" Is there some sort of 1337 Matrix appreciation club that I&#39;m not aware of? [/b][/quote]
believe me im not taking this personally. and if uve been on the internet more than a day u&#39;d know that n00b stands for newbie. or someone who is new to a consept. they usually say the most retarded things. hence the slang term for em. anyways I can accept that U understand the movie and dont think that its good. but ure saying that its not good...period. not that u THINK its not good but that u&#39;re stating it as tho u want to make ppl see that its not good in your eyes (when i say "u" i mean matrix haters in general not just u). thats the only reason why i point things out like the above refferences to the films. im trying to make a point. that point is that every film is good in its own way but there are films which surpass that (usually cult films like LOTR, SW, Matrix, Pulp Ficton, etc) and some of those are not given the credit they deserve. which is why there are fans like us which defend the films and yes we get passionate about it. even frustrated. but u cant blame us afterall. i must have heard the same reason for disliking the movie over a hundered times and i could answer the question which has been raised and used as a primairy example of the films "plot holes". which is why it irratates me. and when we do answer these questions the film bashers won&#39;t accept the fact that they may actually be wrong for once. I&#39;m willing to admit there was some bad stuff even horrible (first 20 minutes of reloaded=*puke*). so why can&#39;t they? it always seems as tho some ppl want to take their hatered for a movie to the next level and bring it out for all to see. without valid reasons. only simple ignorence. thats why i reply to posts like these. because i love the films and they deserve to have someone stick up for em.

[Tetsujn]

Originally posted by Busyman@16 March 2004 - 20:22
...furthermore if a movie is that involved that a very high number of people "don&#39;t get it", that&#39;s the movie maker&#39;s fault not the audience.

Also after knowing these things there should be a satisfaction you get from it instead of a, "Awwww man&#33;&#33;&#33;".

I remember one thing that was mysterious about the first movie was Zion itself. Then when I actually saw it, I was like, "uh Ok". Not that Zion was bad or anything; I guess I was expecting something else.

u could not be more wrong there my friend (and say that with the post above in mind ). if a person does not want to invest the brain power to actually try and understand the movie instead of having someone hand it to them on a silver platter they are to be blamed if they say that film is bad and cannot understand it.

also idont think the W.bros were looking in your best interest when they came up with zion. so dont bitch about that one.

[Cheese]

Originally posted by Tetsujn+16 March 2004 - 20:25--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Tetsujn @ 16 March 2004 - 20:25)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by Withcheese@16 March 2004 - 19:28
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@16 March 2004 - 18:12
the thing is u think u understand it but u do not. u ask the questions which have been answered throughout the movie but u do not follow their explantion. for example someone on an IMDB board said the movie sucked because merv didnt reveal how he got neo into Mobil Ave. um, ok how&#39;s this for him revealing it:

Merv: "I am curious though as to how he was actualy trapped. Do you know?" Trinity: "No."
Merv: "I did not think so."

it is obvious he didnt trap him in there. the power of the source (i.e Neo: "Tell me how I was able to stop 4 sentinals just by thinking. Tell me just what the hell is happening to me." Oracle: "You touched the source") somehow trapped him in there.Merv merely kept him. Then someone asked why the hell Merv wanted the eyes of the oracle. they said that was a plot hole. How about this:

Neo: What does he want? (reffering to Merv in Reloaded)
Oracle: What do all me with power want? More power.

these are but one of a million n00b questions. It goes to show the ignorence of some people. which is why i dont even bother picking apart your posts for the sheer fact of proving u wrong when u&#39;ll never accept that you just may be looking at the movie through the wrong way.

Those two points I picked up on in the film, I didn&#39;t need anyone to point that out for me. Is it really so hard to accept that I understood the film and thought it was a wasted opportunity? You guys seem to be taking this personally...please don&#39;t.

Feel free to pick apart my posts...but you will only be trying to force feed your own understanding of the film onto mine. Is one of us right and the other wrong? Or could it be that a film can be interpreted in more than one way, each no more right than the other?

btw what the hell? "n00b questions" Is there some sort of 1337 Matrix appreciation club that I&#39;m not aware of?

believe me im not taking this personally. and if uve been on the internet more than a day u&#39;d know that n00b stands for newbie. or someone who is new to a consept. they usually say the most retarded things. hence the slang term for em. anyways I can accept that U understand the movie and dont think that its good. but ure saying that its not good...period. not that u THINK its not good but that u&#39;re stating it as tho u want to make ppl see that its not good in your eyes (when i say "u" i mean matrix haters in general not just u). thats the only reason why i point things out like the above refferences to the films. im trying to make a point. that point is that every film is good in its own way but there are films which surpass that (usually cult films like LOTR, SW, Matrix, Pulp Ficton, etc) and some of those are not given the credit they deserve. which is why there are fans like us which defend the films and yes we get passionate about it. even frustrated. but u cant blame us afterall. i must have heard the same reason for disliking the movie over a hundered times and i could answer the question which has been raised and used as a primairy example of the films "plot holes". which is why it irratates me. and when we do answer these questions the film bashers won&#39;t accept the fact that they may actually be wrong for once. I&#39;m willing to admit there was some bad stuff even horrible (first 20 minutes of reloaded=*puke*). so why can&#39;t they? it always seems as tho some ppl want to take their hatered for a movie to the next level and bring it out for all to see. without valid reasons. only simple ignorence. thats why i reply to posts like these. because i love the films and they deserve to have someone stick up for em. [/b][/quote]
I&#39;m glad we&#39;ve cleared up what n00b means I&#39;ve been wondering all this time about that one. Thanks.