The Matrix Trilogy Explained !

[unreal_dude]

Originally posted by marshall@17 March 2004 - 17:14
i think u people r a big ass

if u people fucking hate the movie so much y the hell didnt you enquire bout the movie first before seeing it

and if u r sayin u saw reloaded just because u liked matrix 1 then y the hell did u watch revolutions when u didnt like reloaded


like i said before u people r the biggest ass ne body has seen

They actually saw revolutions so that they cud whine on forums and other places !!

" Man the matrix really sucks cuz a "INTELLIGENT" person like me cudn't get it"

LOL

[Cheese]

Originally posted by marshall@17 March 2004 - 10:44
i think u people r a big ass

if u people fucking hate the movie so much y the hell didnt you enquire bout the movie first before seeing it

and if u r sayin u saw reloaded just because u liked matrix 1 then y the hell did u watch revolutions when u didnt like reloaded


like i said before u people r the biggest ass ne body has seen

How do you manage to post with a straight face Michelle? You've been dissing everyone in this thread about not understanding the film and being an ass when most of your posts make you sound like an incoherent 11 year old.

Are you even old enough to see this film?

And reading back you were so calm at the begiining of this thread...thanking unreal_dude for the explanation but then you started flaiming people like myself. What happened did daddy stop your allowance?

Boo-fucking-hoo.

[unreal_dude]

Originally posted by Withcheese
There you go talking to me like a child again...sad because I thought you were an intelligent poster.

Was that all you cud gather?? Come on i know you can write more intelligent posts than this !!

Also can you tell me wot philosophy and "Mythology" was missing frm the sequels ??

Plus i m also interested in knowing as to how mervy was a mirror self of neo ??

If you have reasons plz do explain.............

[marshall]

ohhhh did i hurt ur feelings withcheese

i only get irritated with those people who crib bout movies that is beyond their understanding .................forget understanding .......but not even giving a thought to it is absurd ..

[Busyman]

Originally posted by Withcheese+17 March 2004 - 08:04--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Withcheese @ 17 March 2004 - 08:04)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-marshall@17 March 2004 - 10:44
i think u people r&nbsp; a big ass

if u people fucking hate the movie so much y the hell didnt you enquire bout the movie first before seeing it

and if u r sayin u saw reloaded just&nbsp; because u liked matrix 1 then y the hell did u watch revolutions when u didnt like reloaded


like i said before u people r the biggest ass ne body has seen

How do you manage to post with a straight face Michelle? You&#39;ve been dissing everyone in this thread about not understanding the film and being an ass when most of your posts make you sound like an incoherent 11 year old.

Are you even old enough to see this film? [/b][/quote]
.........not without a parent.

You see Matrix fans, what happened here is someone criticized your precious film and instead your resorted to insults.

You did not make the film.

You do not know the directors personally

Why be shattered over even an insul to "your" film?

There is no bandwagon to dislike "your" film. We fucking didn&#39;t like it. We wanted to like it or the lot of us wouldn&#39;t have spent actual money too see it.

You fans need to get a life due to taking a movie too seriously.

I heard someone say that they can&#39;t help it. What the fuck are you, a mental patient? I can not like the movie for whatever REASON I want.

What are you going to do, change my mind AFTER the movie?

btw the reason you fans are getting slammed is because you take yourselves to seriously and are critcizing the actual people for not liking our movie.
No one here called you stupid or an ass for liking the movie.

Go outside and play or make a new friend. You&#39;ll feel better

[Cheese]

Originally posted by unreal_dude+17 March 2004 - 11:16--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (unreal_dude &#064; 17 March 2004 - 11:16)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Withcheese
There you go talking to me like a child again...sad because I thought you were an intelligent poster.

Was that all you cud gather?? Come on i know you can write more intelligent posts than this &#33;&#33;

Also can you tell me wot philosophy and "Mythology" was missing frm the sequels ??

Plus i m also interested in knowing as to how mervy was a mirror self of neo ??

If you have reasons plz do explain.............[/b][/quote]

Was that all you cud gather?? Come on i know you can write more intelligent posts than this &#33;&#33;

You&#39;re taking this too personally, calm down.

Also can you tell me wot philosophy and "Mythology" was missing frm the sequels ??

Plus i m also interested in knowing as to how mervy was a mirror self of neo ??

The key to the success of the first film (which I think we can all agree we all enjoyed) was the creation of a fascinating fictional world and the concepts that this raised. The sequels didn&#39;t match up to this, it was a tall order to do so. The first film was engaging for the audience and challenged them on many levels. I think they messed up in the sequel.

The architect&#39;s speech being a case in point, it simply doesn&#39;t hold water for me and doesn&#39;t make much sense (this isn&#39;t me not getting it, it is just that it does indeed make no valid sense) the only reason I can see for this is that the Architect has a "flawed world view" which the Oracle tells Neo.

To myself, the sequels are a rather dodgy reworking of christian mythology...the Architect is god, an uncaring nigh-on inaccessible creator. But more importantly for me Merovingian is Lucifer (he is the ruler of the darker side of The Matrix) he is what Neo could be if he gave up on the real world (not saying this occurs to Neo but as an audience we can see what power could be gained by one as powerful as Neo in the Matrix). But the most obvious reference is Neo himself, he is a christ figure and in case we don&#39;t get it the Wac brothers actually have him in the classic Christ-crucifixation pose at the end of the film.

The final battle is the triumph of blind faith over atheism. (Interesting to note that Neo is indeed blinded).





Sidenote: Don&#39;t take this the wrong way unreal_dude but you really shiuld get a life and give this up...people don&#39;t like your precious film. End of story.

You have (at this time) made 90 posts on this board, 41 of them in this thread (that is nearly half).

Someone needs to get a life:

I&#39;m actually pissing myself laughing.

[Cheese]

Originally posted by marshall@17 March 2004 - 11:24
ohhhh did i hurt ur feelings withcheese

i only get irritated with those people who crib bout movies that is beyond their understanding .................forget understanding .......but not even giving a thought to it is absurd ..

Aren&#39;t you one of the people who had to read someone elses explanation to the film before you truly understood it?

And I quote:

Nice Explanation there unreal_dude1, your explanation answered a lot of questions that have risen so far in my mind

i can&#39;t think of a better explanation of "The Matrix Triology"


Keep up the good work

And no fortunately you didn&#39;t "hurt my feelings" as I don&#39;t take these things seriously at all (besides that I post in The Lounge which is full of teh hate).

[vish_cometrue]

Originally posted by 3RA1N1AC+17 March 2004 - 00:26--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (3RA1N1AC @ 17 March 2004 - 00:26)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-unreal_dude@16 March 2004 - 07:05
Man creates his own problem and is the only one able to solve them. The human race&#39;s enemy isn&#39;t the machines but the human race itself.

you reap what you sew? is that the grand concept that all the "haters" are just not educated enough to understand? i woulda thunk we all had a firm handle on that one because it&#39;s been one of the most common, predictable themes in literature & drama since the tragedy plays of ancient greece.

excerpt from a play by some dude who died a few thousand years ago:
oracle: "do something wrong, and fate is gonna kick you in the ass&#33; it is going to be ironic as all get out, and you will feel like a damn fool."
hero: "whoa. dude."
oracle: "but if you do good... well, i can&#39;t make any promises. fate is prolly still gonna kick you in the ass."
hero: "holy shit. that sucks."

if that&#39;s the essence of the whole trilogy, what the whole thing really boils down to, i gotta say that i think Witchcheese is right-- the Wachowski brothers had a chance to deal with some really complicated, futuristic, hardball philosophical issues... and they squandered it by focusing on the same old traditional themes that have already been done to death, and dressing it up in a slick new wrapper. it paid lip service to the PKD themes ("what is reality? who is truly human?"), but the plot was so passionless and concerned with having the characters build a house of cards out of technical jargon and corny riddles... it&#39;s not coherent enough to make the audience care about the cosmic implications of being jacked in, or of artificial intelligence. it&#39;s like buying a car from General Motors, and instead of a car they just give you a huge pile of car parts and say "i dunno... i didn&#39;t feel like putting it together completely. i guess you can figure it out, yourself. oh yeah, and some of the gears are missing." [/b][/quote]
Is this what u found out about the essence of the trilogy? To be true, I haven&#39;t heard or seen anything more absurd. Also this speaks volumes about ur understanding of cinema. Man u got the whole Matrix story upside down, didn&#39;t u?

And by the way, what were u saying about all the common and predictable themes?
As far as I can see, all Hollywood movie plots revolve around good vs. evil. Even legendary ones like Star Wars and LOTR (which are among my eternal favourites) tell us a good vs. evil story. Now by no means does Matrix tell us a good vs. evil story. Don&#39;t get started on telling every1 that Neo is good and Agent Smith is evil and that Neo wins in the end. Because if thats what u found out from the movie, it will only prove that u in fact understood nothing.

Do u even know what theme the Matrix movies echo? The Matrix movies revolve around a choice vs. casuality theme which I presume u didn&#39;t get from the movie.
Now don&#39;t tell me u knew that all the way. Coz if u did, u wouldn&#39;t have been asking such questions&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

What on earth does that make u think it&#39;s predictable? In almost every way, Matrix has been a trend-setting trilogy. Whether it&#39;s the fabulous visual effects, screenplay, direction, performances etc etc. All Hollywood movies - big budget ones or B-graders try to copy the Matrix effects and the Matrix-style of story narration. I cannot recollect a single movie (not even sci-fi ones) which have integrated philosophy and technology so deeply. And The Wac Bros. have executed their story brilliantly by their style of narration. THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN THEIR STYLE OF STORY NARRATION IS THAT THEY NEVER SPOON-FEED the story to the audience. Believe me, in no way would the Matrix trilogy be effective without this style of story narration. All that "technical jargon" that u think is inappropriate is very essential to the story. I think maybe u might have watched too many B-grade action flicks which try to imitate Matrix-style visual effects, which in turn has led u to lose flair for original, thought-provoking cinema.

As far as passionless plots are concerned, I would only like to say that passion does not mean "crying aloud" or "intimate scenes". People use "passion in movies" in a very generic way. The Matrix movies have a lot of passion in them. Without passion, the Wac. Bros. wouldn&#39;t even have dared to make the trilogy. But then.........it&#39;s ur way to look at it&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; Still sorry to say.....but it&#39;s the wrong way&#33;

[marshall]

Still stuck in the bible theory tht was posted on net

matrix has no connection with bible

some of the keywords might refresh your memory withcheese

programs hacking programs, at some point a program was written to govern air , sunrise, sunset, matrix is only a dreamworld etc...

i would really suggest giving the movie another shot

[marshall]

Originally posted by vish_cometrue+17 March 2004 - 13:31--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (vish_cometrue @ 17 March 2004 - 13:31)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by 3RA1N1AC@17 March 2004 - 00:26
<!--QuoteBegin-unreal_dude

@16 March 2004 - 07:05
Man creates his own problem and is the only one able to solve them. The human race&#39;s enemy isn&#39;t the machines but the human race itself.

you reap what you sew? is that the grand concept that all the "haters" are just not educated enough to understand? i woulda thunk we all had a firm handle on that one because it&#39;s been one of the most common, predictable themes in literature & drama since the tragedy plays of ancient greece.

excerpt from a play by some dude who died a few thousand years ago:
oracle: "do something wrong, and fate is gonna kick you in the ass&#33; it is going to be ironic as all get out, and you will feel like a damn fool."
hero: "whoa. dude."
oracle: "but if you do good... well, i can&#39;t make any promises. fate is prolly still gonna kick you in the ass."
hero: "holy shit. that sucks."

if that&#39;s the essence of the whole trilogy, what the whole thing really boils down to, i gotta say that i think Witchcheese is right-- the Wachowski brothers had a chance to deal with some really complicated, futuristic, hardball philosophical issues... and they squandered it by focusing on the same old traditional themes that have already been done to death, and dressing it up in a slick new wrapper. it paid lip service to the PKD themes ("what is reality? who is truly human?"), but the plot was so passionless and concerned with having the characters build a house of cards out of technical jargon and corny riddles... it&#39;s not coherent enough to make the audience care about the cosmic implications of being jacked in, or of artificial intelligence. it&#39;s like buying a car from General Motors, and instead of a car they just give you a huge pile of car parts and say "i dunno... i didn&#39;t feel like putting it together completely. i guess you can figure it out, yourself. oh yeah, and some of the gears are missing."

Is this what u found out about the essence of the trilogy? To be true, I haven&#39;t heard or seen anything more absurd. Also this speaks volumes about ur understanding of cinema. Man u got the whole Matrix story upside down, didn&#39;t u?

And by the way, what were u saying about all the common and predictable themes?
As far as I can see, all Hollywood movie plots revolve around good vs. evil. Even legendary ones like Star Wars and LOTR (which are among my eternal favourites) tell us a good vs. evil story. Now by no means does Matrix tell us a good vs. evil story. Don&#39;t get started on telling every1 that Neo is good and Agent Smith is evil and that Neo wins in the end. Because if thats what u found out from the movie, it will only prove that u in fact understood nothing.

Do u even know what theme the Matrix movies echo? The Matrix movies revolve around a choice vs. casuality theme which I presume u didn&#39;t get from the movie.
Now don&#39;t tell me u knew that all the way. Coz if u did, u wouldn&#39;t have been asking such questions&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

What on earth does that make u think it&#39;s predictable? In almost every way, Matrix has been a trend-setting trilogy. Whether it&#39;s the fabulous visual effects, screenplay, direction, performances etc etc. All Hollywood movies - big budget ones or B-graders try to copy the Matrix effects and the Matrix-style of story narration. I cannot recollect a single movie (not even sci-fi ones) which have integrated philosophy and technology so deeply. And The Wac Bros. have executed their story brilliantly by their style of narration. THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN THEIR STYLE OF STORY NARRATION IS THAT THEY NEVER SPOON-FEED the story to the audience. Believe me, in no way would the Matrix trilogy be effective without this style of story narration. All that "technical jargon" that u think is inappropriate is very essential to the story. I think maybe u might have watched too many B-grade action flicks which try to imitate Matrix-style visual effects, which in turn has led u to lose flair for original, thought-provoking cinema.

As far as passionless plots are concerned, I would only like to say that passion does not mean "crying aloud" or "intimate scenes". People use "passion in movies" in a very generic way. The Matrix movies have a lot of passion in them. Without passion, the Wac. Bros. wouldn&#39;t even have dared to make the trilogy. But then.........it&#39;s ur way to look at it&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; Still sorry to say.....but it&#39;s the wrong way&#33; [/b][/quote]
MARK MY WORDS VISH_COMETRUE MARK THEM WELL

THEY WONT UNDERSTAND THIS EXPLAINATION ALSO