The Matrix Trilogy Explained !

[unreal_dude]

Originally posted by withcheese+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (withcheese)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> The key to the success of the first film (which I think we can all agree we all enjoyed) was the creation of a fascinating fictional world and the concepts that this raised. The sequels didn&#39;t match up to this, it was a tall order to do so. The first film was engaging for the audience and challenged them on many levels. I think they messed up in the sequel.[/b]

Agreed &#33;&#33;

Originally posted by withcheese+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (withcheese)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>The architect&#39;s speech being a case in point, it simply doesn&#39;t hold water for me and doesn&#39;t make much sense (this isn&#39;t me not getting it, it is just that it does indeed make no valid sense) the only reason I can see for this is that the Architect has a "flawed world view" which the Oracle tells Neo.[/b]

I disagree if it wudnt have been for that speech even i would have joined you. The speech unravels alot of things that were still unclear. i know many ppl are pissed with it cuz it came when ppl expected action and all they got was talk.

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To myself, the sequels are a rather dodgy reworking of christian mythology...the Architect is god, an uncaring nigh-on inaccessible creator. But more importantly for me Merovingian is Lucifer (he is the ruler of the darker side of The Matrix) he is what Neo could be if he gave up on the real world (not saying this occurs to Neo but as an audience we can see what power could be gained by one as powerful as Neo in the Matrix). But the most obvious reference is Neo himself, he is a christ figure and in case we don&#39;t get it the Wac brothers actually have him in the classic Christ-crucifixation pose at the end of the film.
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when did this strike you man &#33;&#33; With all due respect i dont agree with u, the film has got nethng to do with any religion .........Christianity, hinduism, buddhism. Wot ails most explanation is that they try to connect it to religion &#33;&#33; But read the latest one i posted and it is very very simple.


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Sidenote: Don&#39;t take this the wrong way unreal_dude but you really shiuld get a life and give this up...people don&#39;t like your precious film. End of story.

You have (at this time) made 90 posts on this board, 41 of them in this thread (that is nearly half).

Someone needs to get a life:
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Seriously man can i help it if i have 40 posts in this thread alone. Or for that matter does posting in one thread shows that i have get a life. I dont think so ......i might have joined the board long ago ,.......but it is very recently that i have started posting regularly. Seriously man i dont take nethng personally unless the other person becomes personal.

[Cheese]

Originally posted by marshall@17 March 2004 - 12:31
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Still stuck in the bible theory tht was posted on net

matrix has no connection with bible

some of the keywords might refresh your memory withcheese

programs hacking programs, at some point a program was written to govern air , sunrise, sunset,&nbsp; matrix is only a dreamworld etc...

i would really suggest giving the movie another shot

I haven&#39;t read any explanations of The Matrix around but to say that The Matrix has no connection to christian mythology (not the bible by itself ) is very naive.

1. Neo dies and is ressurected to save mankind. Also there is even a prophecy to go with this.

2. Names: Trinity, Zion, Seraph and others all have religious connections.

3. Neo when at the end in his crucifixation pose.

4. The architect in his white room, obvious reference as the creator. For feck sake he created the Matrix he is obviously it&#39;s "god" either that or KFC paid some large amount of money to get some in product advertisemnt.

5. Mervy (as unreal_dude would say) is the devil, as I said he rules the dark side of the matrix. His name, Merovingian, has religious background being the descandants of Jesus. His wife also has a religious name (though not christian).

6. Smith in the real world, first thing he does is cut his palms like christ.


That&#39;s what I remember of the top of my head, and I&#39;m sure if I took your advice and rewatched the two sequels I could find a hundred such references to the bible.

So my question is does the Matrix have a connection to the bible?

[Cheese]

@unreal_dude: I apologize for telling you to get a life, that&#39;s me trying to be funny.

But come on, the Matrix has NO connection to religion? You really believe that?

[vish_cometrue]

Originally posted by Withcheese@17 March 2004 - 12:56

The key to the success of the first film (which I think we can all agree we all enjoyed) was the creation of a fascinating fictional world and the concepts that this raised.&nbsp; The sequels didn&#39;t match up to this, it was a tall order to do so.&nbsp; The first film was engaging for the audience and challenged them on many levels.&nbsp; I think they messed up in the sequel.

The architect&#39;s speech being a case in point, it simply doesn&#39;t hold water for me and doesn&#39;t make much sense (this isn&#39;t me not getting it, it is just that it does indeed make no valid sense) the only reason I can see for this is that the Architect has a "flawed world view" which the Oracle tells Neo.

To myself, the sequels are a rather dodgy reworking of christian mythology...the Architect is god, an uncaring nigh-on inaccessible creator.&nbsp; But more importantly for me Merovingian is Lucifer (he is the ruler of the darker side of The Matrix) he is what Neo could be if he gave up on the real world (not saying this occurs to Neo but as an audience we can see what power could be gained by one as powerful as Neo in the Matrix).&nbsp; But the most obvious reference is Neo himself, he is a christ figure and in case we don&#39;t get it the Wac brothers actually have him in the classic Christ-crucifixation pose at the end of the film.

The final battle is the triumph of blind faith over atheism. (Interesting to note that Neo is indeed blinded).





Sidenote: Don&#39;t take this the wrong way unreal_dude but you really shiuld get a life and give this up...people don&#39;t like your precious film.&nbsp; End of story.

You have (at this time) made 90 posts on this board, 41 of them in this thread (that is nearly half).

Someone needs to get a life:

I&#39;m actually pissing myself laughing.

Well....the Matrix sequels are no "dodgy reworking" of Christian mythology. True that the Matrix movies have borrowed some ideas from Christian, Buddhist and Hindu mythology, but that dosen&#39;t mean they have re-worked the whole thing. There are some refernces which may be appropriate like Morpheus being an equivalent to the serpent Loki who lured Adam (Neo) to bite the forbidden fruit. In other words, Morpheus&#39; most important contribution in the whole trilogy was to show Neo the real world and leave that world known as the Matrix which was built "to blind people from the truth". Also there are some ides like "karma" which are borrowed from Hindu mythology. But u don&#39;t have to seriously search for mythological relations to each and every scene. Because there aren&#39;t any.

All those ideas about Architect being God and Neo being Christ&#33;&#33;&#33; Well....I don&#39;t agree with them. And Christ is God after all, isn&#39;t He? So how can that be?

[marshall]

Originally posted by Withcheese+17 March 2004 - 13:51--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Withcheese @ 17 March 2004 - 13:51)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-marshall@17 March 2004 - 12:31



Still stuck in the bible theory tht was posted on net

matrix has no connection with bible

some of the keywords might refresh your memory withcheese

programs hacking programs, at some point a program was written to govern air , sunrise, sunset, matrix is only a dreamworld etc...

i would really suggest giving the movie another shot

I haven&#39;t read any explanations of The Matrix around but to say that The Matrix has no connection to christian mythology (not the bible by itself ) is very naive.

1. Neo dies and is ressurected to save mankind. Also there is even a prophecy to go with this.

2. Names: Trinity, Zion, Seraph and others all have religious connections.

3. Neo when at the end in his crucifixation pose.

4. The architect in his white room, obvious reference as the creator. For feck sake he created the Matrix he is obviously it&#39;s "god" either that or KFC paid some large amount of money to get some in product advertisemnt.

5. Mervy (as unreal_dude would say) is the devil, as I said he rules the dark side of the matrix. His name, Merovingian, has religious background being the descandants of Jesus. His wife also has a religious name (though not christian).

6. Smith in the real world, first thing he does is cut his palms like christ.


That&#39;s what I remember of the top of my head, and I&#39;m sure if I took your advice and rewatched the two sequels I could find a hundred such references to the bible.

So my question is does the Matrix have a connection to the bible? [/b][/quote]

[Cheese]

All those ideas about Architect being God and Neo being Christ&#33;&#33;&#33; Well....I don&#39;t agree with them. And Christ is God after all, isn&#39;t He? So how can that be?

Christ is the son of god. And god at the same time. A strange concept but not that hard to grasp. Some good points you made in there though, of course it is entirely subjective whether the film has religious connections or not, you say it doesn&#39;t I say it does. We both see different things in the film, neither of us is more right than the other.

@Michelle: Care to elaborate? Or is this the extent of your intellectual capacity?

[unreal_dude]

Originally posted by Withcheese+17 March 2004 - 19:21--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Withcheese @ 17 March 2004 - 19:21)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-marshall@17 March 2004 - 12:31
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Still stuck in the bible theory tht was posted on net

matrix has no connection with bible

some of the keywords might refresh your memory withcheese

programs hacking programs, at some point a program was written to govern air , sunrise, sunset,&nbsp; matrix is only a dreamworld etc...

i would really suggest giving the movie another shot

I haven&#39;t read any explanations of The Matrix around but to say that The Matrix has no connection to christian mythology (not the bible by itself ) is very naive.

1. Neo dies and is ressurected to save mankind. Also there is even a prophecy to go with this.

2. Names: Trinity, Zion, Seraph and others all have religious connections.

3. Neo when at the end in his crucifixation pose.

4. The architect in his white room, obvious reference as the creator. For feck sake he created the Matrix he is obviously it&#39;s "god" either that or KFC paid some large amount of money to get some in product advertisemnt.

5. Mervy (as unreal_dude would say) is the devil, as I said he rules the dark side of the matrix. His name, Merovingian, has religious background being the descandants of Jesus. His wife also has a religious name (though not christian).

6. Smith in the real world, first thing he does is cut his palms like christ.


That&#39;s what I remember of the top of my head, and I&#39;m sure if I took your advice and rewatched the two sequels I could find a hundred such references to the bible.

So my question is does the Matrix have a connection to the bible? [/b][/quote]
Sorry man with all due respect to the bible .....i havent read it or even touched it. Not a single word. So it&#39;s obvious that i dint look into that angle at all. When a simple explanantion as the one i posted stands b4 me why complicate things more futher.

Btw Trinity also refers to a god in hindu religion. Also i think a lot of references have been made to a lot of religions but then .......my point is keep it out of the matrix ......it is gonna confuse you more and more.........cuz when you will b thinking abt a chracter in the movie u will also keep the religious equivalent of him in mind and also compare then both &#33;&#33;

Abt architect i see him as the programmer of the matrix and none one else. He isn&#39;t the machine god either. I dont think god would enslave his own ppl.

BTW this is turning out to b a pretty good debate &#33;&#33; LOL if we cud have more sensible ppl here.But only 2 debate ....not whine or crib.

[Cheese]

Well I&#39;m a little worried about the obsessiveness that is going on here, obviously I was totally wrong about this film and your posts have shown me the light. I retract everything bad I said about the films (including my disparraging comments on Mr.Reeves acting and my aluding to Trinity being a man).

Please don&#39;t send the Trenchcoat Mafia after me I promise to be good and form all my opinions based upon that of other people&#39;s.

Been a real blast guys.

[Spider_dude]

neo was a catholic. it is a known fact

[unreal_dude]

Please don&#39;t send the Trenchcoat Mafia after me I promise to be good and form all my opinions based upon that of other people&#39;s.

LOL

Atleast ppl are lightning up now&#33;&#33;