Us Gov.

**j2k4** · 04-09-2004, 06:57 PM

vidcc-

I think you just defaulted to the position of "thread-starter", as one who has experience with both.

How's your shitpile?

**Busyman** · 04-09-2004, 08:26 PM

How is then that millions would love to leave Cuba if the country is so great?

So far what I've read looks good on paper.

Why do so many defect or risk their lives on an inner tube to get to Florida?

**vidcc** · 04-09-2004, 08:58 PM

Originally posted by j2k4@9 April 2004 - 10:57
vidcc-

I think you just defaulted to the position of "thread-starter", as one who has experience with both.

How's your shitpile?

i'll think about the wording so that it's a debate and not an attacking session about everyone elses system and get on it

the crap pile was only a pile for a short while as they started to spread it as soon as it was delivered,it ponged for just the one day then it calmed down the topsoil was spread just in time before the sky opened up...darn typical...no rain for the best part of a year and as soon as i get the landscapers in....cats and dogs (had to be careful not to tread in a poodle

) no pong now

**j2k4** · 04-09-2004, 09:24 PM

Originally posted by vidcc+9 April 2004 - 14:58--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (vidcc @ 9 April 2004 - 14:58)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-j2k4@9 April 2004 - 10:57
vidcc-

I think you just defaulted to the position of "thread-starter", as one who has experience with both.

i'll think about the wording so that it's a debate and not an attacking session about everyone elses system and get on it

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That would be excellent.

Remember to use a fresh thread!

**Rat Faced** · 04-09-2004, 10:31 PM

Originally posted by Busyman@9 April 2004 - 20:26
How is then that millions would love to leave Cuba if the country is so great?

So far what I've read looks good on paper.

Why do so many defect or risk their lives on an inner tube to get to Florida?

Thats simple.

It IS a poor country, and many people would rather die than not live free.

The people of Cuba arent free to choose their own Government, that has never been in dispute. The dispute has been is "what has it got to do with you".

In addition, everyone has heard of "The American Dream".

You have illegal immigrants from quite prosperous western countries, not just "wetbacks".....havent you heard the streets are paved with Gold over there?

I sure have, and i know they arent

**vidcc** · 04-09-2004, 10:48 PM

Originally posted by Rat Faced+9 April 2004 - 14:31--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Rat Faced @ 9 April 2004 - 14:31)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Busyman@9 April 2004 - 20:26
How is then that millions would love to leave Cuba if the country is so great?

So far what I've read looks good on paper.

Why do so many defect or risk their lives on an inner tube to get to Florida?

Thats simple.

It IS a poor country, and many people would rather die than not live free.

The people of Cuba arent free to choose their own Government, that has never been in dispute. The dispute has been is "what has it got to do with you".

In addition, everyone has heard of "The American Dream".

You have illegal immigrants from quite prosperous western countries, not just "wetbacks".....havent you heard the streets are paved with Gold over there?

I sure have, and i know they arent

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Ahh the American dream.....One just has to concentrate on the word "dream"

What i would say about the land of opportunity is that you can't just wait for opportunity to knock on your door. The USA is no different from any other "free" nation in this respect. One could do just as well in most developed parts of the world as one could do here.with hard work building a business is achievable but carries the same risk of failure as everywhere else..the only difference is that we almost promote the idea as being the norm and people are more vocal in being patriotic here, even the poorest person in the land will stand up in pride when a Politician says "America is the greatest nation on earth"

**clocker** · 04-09-2004, 10:57 PM

Originally posted by Rat Faced@9 April 2004 - 06:10

So basically these nasty people threw out a load of US business that owned 2/3 of their country due to the USA not being allowed to just annex them like Puerto Rico.

So why would they risk doing business with us again?

**J'Pol** · 04-09-2004, 11:21 PM

Originally posted by clocker+9 April 2004 - 23:57--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (clocker @ 9 April 2004 - 23:57)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Rat Faced@9 April 2004 - 06:10

So basically these nasty people threw out a load of US business that owned 2/3 of their country due to the USA not being allowed to just annex them like Puerto Rico.

So why would they risk doing business with us again? [/b][/quote]
Exactly.

Cuba is quite right not dealing with the US.

Why would they take the risk. You might end up investing in their country and no-one would want that.

**Busyman** · 04-10-2004, 12:04 AM

Originally posted by Rat Faced+9 April 2004 - 18:31--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Rat Faced @ 9 April 2004 - 18:31)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Busyman@9 April 2004 - 20:26
How is then that millions would love to leave Cuba if the country is so great?

So far what I've read looks good on paper.

Why do so many defect or risk their lives on an inner tube to get to Florida?

Thats simple.

It IS a poor country, and many people would rather die than not live free.

The people of Cuba arent free to choose their own Government, that has never been in dispute. The dispute has been is "what has it got to do with you".

In addition, everyone has heard of "The American Dream".

You have illegal immigrants from quite prosperous western countries, not just "wetbacks".....havent you heard the streets are paved with Gold over there?

I sure have, and i know they arent

[/b][/quote]
Oh but aren't they free? Doesn't Cuba have "free" healthcare?

I know many immigrants from Trinidad, Mexico, and CANADA, and they would never want to go back. I wonder why.......

btw 'Looking For Fidel' will air on HBO, Wednesday Apr. 14 from 8-9pm eastern time. It's basically an hour long Oliver Stone interview with the Cuban dictator.

In this interview he will discussing Fidel's crackdown on political dissidents among other topics like his potential successors and his failing health.