Just Got Broken Into...

[blunt_on_tour]

Originally posted by J&#39;Pol+10 April 2004 - 09:27--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J&#39;Pol @ 10 April 2004 - 09:27)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by hobbes@10 April 2004 - 04:03
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@9 April 2004 - 06:39
as for asking them b4 kicking their ass, when i went up to him the bitch is like "what r u gonna do?" in a bad attitude way, i didn&#39;t even say anything, first impulse was right in the face, hit him as hard as i could, he didn&#39;t get back for 1 minute or fuck, you touch my stuff and ur as good as a dead man (or a severly beaten up one at best)

Jpol,

I&#39;m going to have have to go with the kid on this one. Not because what he did was right, but I would have done the same thing.

Then you are worse than him.

This is a fantasist who concocted a story for some sort of cheap kudos on the interweb. Or if you choose to believe him, someone who actually behaved in that manner.

"i don&#39;t give a fuck, cuz i broke his nose, jaw, and leg. what a pussy, ironic thing: i&#39;m only 16,"

It is interesting that this adrenalin filled 16 year old semi-literate chose to highlight the irony of the situation.

If you are willing to beat others violently, risking permanent damage or death to either them or you. Not because they are physically threatening you or yours. Not as an act of self defence. But because they stole some DVDs from your house, when you weren&#39;t in it. Then said "what are you going to do about it". Then you are worse than him, because you should know better.

The telling part in your post is that you identified the comment "what are you going to do about it" as a pivotal moment. That is when the violence was inevitable. Could such a reaction be any more reminiscent of the schoolyard. I don&#39;t see how it could.

As I have said, if he went into his house when they were there, uninvited. Or had they attacked him, then that is a different story. One is entirely right to defend one&#39;s self.

Is health and life so cheap to you. It is to be hoped that when the nose and jaw were being broken no brain damage occurred. [/b][/quote]
You say that like a person that&#39;s never been a victim of theft. I&#39;ve had over £4,000 worth of stuff stolen (in total) from me over the last ten years, on three occasions. After your loss has been discovered, you feel a range of emotions from violation of privacy to absolute rage and futility. If I could have got my hands on the people who stole from me on these occasions I don&#39;t think I would have thought much about beating the crap out of them - it would have just happened in a blinding fit of rage.

Why the hell should anybody have to put up with their hard earned property being stolen? The police do nothing about it, even if you know who the thieves are, and on the rare occasions these burglars are caught and prosecuted, they&#39;re given trivial fines that they don&#39;t pay anyway, and no jail time. Where&#39;s the justice in that? A good sound thrashing might not do any good, but it sure as shit is going to make you feel better if you&#39;re the one dishing it out.

[delphin460]

yer go the mob mentality, sorry , but a thug is a thug

its not even like it was controled agression

this guy just thinks he is rambo , and one day hes is gunna cop it with a knife or gun and then he will learn

posessions can be replaced , you health can

dont be a hero , cause even big hero&#39;s die

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by blunt_on_tour+10 April 2004 - 11:07--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (blunt_on_tour @ 10 April 2004 - 11:07)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by J&#39;Pol@10 April 2004 - 09:27

Originally posted by hobbes@10 April 2004 - 04:03
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@9 April 2004 - 06:39
as for asking them b4 kicking their ass, when i went up to him the bitch is like "what r u gonna do?" in a bad attitude way, i didn&#39;t even say anything, first impulse was right in the face, hit him as hard as i could, he didn&#39;t get back for 1 minute or fuck, you touch my stuff and ur as good as a dead man (or a severly beaten up one at best)

Jpol,

I&#39;m going to have have to go with the kid on this one. Not because what he did was right, but I would have done the same thing.

Then you are worse than him.

This is a fantasist who concocted a story for some sort of cheap kudos on the interweb. Or if you choose to believe him, someone who actually behaved in that manner.

"i don&#39;t give a fuck, cuz i broke his nose, jaw, and leg. what a pussy, ironic thing: i&#39;m only 16,"

It is interesting that this adrenalin filled 16 year old semi-literate chose to highlight the irony of the situation.

If you are willing to beat others violently, risking permanent damage or death to either them or you. Not because they are physically threatening you or yours. Not as an act of self defence. But because they stole some DVDs from your house, when you weren&#39;t in it. Then said "what are you going to do about it". Then you are worse than him, because you should know better.

The telling part in your post is that you identified the comment "what are you going to do about it" as a pivotal moment. That is when the violence was inevitable. Could such a reaction be any more reminiscent of the schoolyard. I don&#39;t see how it could.

As I have said, if he went into his house when they were there, uninvited. Or had they attacked him, then that is a different story. One is entirely right to defend one&#39;s self.

Is health and life so cheap to you. It is to be hoped that when the nose and jaw were being broken no brain damage occurred.

You say that like a person that&#39;s never been a victim of theft. I&#39;ve had over £4,000 worth of stuff stolen (in total) from me over the last ten years, on three occasions. After your loss has been discovered, you feel a range of emotions from violation of privacy to absolute rage and futility. If I could have got my hands on the people who stole from me on these occasions I don&#39;t think I would have thought much about beating the crap out of them - it would have just happened in a blinding fit of rage.

Why the hell should anybody have to put up with their hard earned property being stolen? The police do nothing about it, even if you know who the thieves are, and on the rare occasions these burglars are caught and prosecuted, they&#39;re given trivial fines that they don&#39;t pay anyway, and no jail time. Where&#39;s the justice in that? A good sound thrashing might not do any good, but it sure as shit is going to make you feel better if you&#39;re the one dishing it out. [/b][/quote]
You joined TODAY and this is your FIRST post.

What&#39;s the chances of that.

[blunt_on_tour]

Originally posted by delphin460@10 April 2004 - 10:15
yer go the mob mentality, sorry , but a thug is a thug

its not even like it was controled agression

this guy just thinks he is rambo , and one day hes is gunna cop it with a knife or gun and then he will learn

posessions can be replaced , you health can

dont be a hero , cause even big hero&#39;s die

I haven&#39;t read the whole thread, so I don&#39;t know all the ins and outs of it, but all I&#39;m saying is that it&#39;s understandable. You say that posessions can be replaced, but there are some things that can&#39;t. Things that have a personal value beyond their worth to another person; your dead mother&#39;s wedding ring, for example. The feeling of safety you got from your home before it was violated is another.

Until you&#39;ve been in the situation yourself it&#39;s easy to sit there and espouse non-violent solutions to emotive problems, but living it would probably give you a different point of view.

I agree that there is nothing worth dying over, especially if it&#39;s just a car that&#39;s been stolen or something else that&#39;s easily replaced, but in the heat of the moment you&#39;re not necessarily thinking like that. If you choose to beat the crap out of somebody that&#39;s &#39;connected&#39; you could be looking at a world of pain from there onwards, likewise the person could stab or shoot you, however hard you think you are. There was a father of three, a few months ago, that pursued some kids that tried to steal his car; although he was 6&#39;2" he still ended up dead - stabbed through his temple with a screwdriver. Now his kids are going to grow up without a dad, all because he chased after some kids that he thought he could deal with.

In most situations it isn&#39;t worth the hassle, but it&#39;s understandable that somebody that&#39;s just been robbed will lose their temper and act irrationally. I feel no sympathy at all for the thieves though - they deserved all the punishment they got and more. If you break the law, you don&#39;t deserve to be protected by the law from retribution, as long as it was a fair law to begin with.

[blunt_on_tour]

Originally posted by J&#39;Pol+10 April 2004 - 10:42--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J&#39;Pol @ 10 April 2004 - 10:42)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by blunt_on_tour@10 April 2004 - 11:07

Originally posted by J&#39;Pol@10 April 2004 - 09:27

Originally posted by hobbes@10 April 2004 - 04:03
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@9 April 2004 - 06:39
as for asking them b4 kicking their ass, when i went up to him the bitch is like "what r u gonna do?" in a bad attitude way, i didn&#39;t even say anything, first impulse was right in the face, hit him as hard as i could, he didn&#39;t get back for 1 minute or fuck, you touch my stuff and ur as good as a dead man (or a severly beaten up one at best)

Jpol,

I&#39;m going to have have to go with the kid on this one. Not because what he did was right, but I would have done the same thing.

Then you are worse than him.

This is a fantasist who concocted a story for some sort of cheap kudos on the interweb. Or if you choose to believe him, someone who actually behaved in that manner.

"i don&#39;t give a fuck, cuz i broke his nose, jaw, and leg. what a pussy, ironic thing: i&#39;m only 16,"

It is interesting that this adrenalin filled 16 year old semi-literate chose to highlight the irony of the situation.

If you are willing to beat others violently, risking permanent damage or death to either them or you. Not because they are physically threatening you or yours. Not as an act of self defence. But because they stole some DVDs from your house, when you weren&#39;t in it. Then said "what are you going to do about it". Then you are worse than him, because you should know better.

The telling part in your post is that you identified the comment "what are you going to do about it" as a pivotal moment. That is when the violence was inevitable. Could such a reaction be any more reminiscent of the schoolyard. I don&#39;t see how it could.

As I have said, if he went into his house when they were there, uninvited. Or had they attacked him, then that is a different story. One is entirely right to defend one&#39;s self.

Is health and life so cheap to you. It is to be hoped that when the nose and jaw were being broken no brain damage occurred.

You say that like a person that&#39;s never been a victim of theft. I&#39;ve had over £4,000 worth of stuff stolen (in total) from me over the last ten years, on three occasions. After your loss has been discovered, you feel a range of emotions from violation of privacy to absolute rage and futility. If I could have got my hands on the people who stole from me on these occasions I don&#39;t think I would have thought much about beating the crap out of them - it would have just happened in a blinding fit of rage.

Why the hell should anybody have to put up with their hard earned property being stolen? The police do nothing about it, even if you know who the thieves are, and on the rare occasions these burglars are caught and prosecuted, they&#39;re given trivial fines that they don&#39;t pay anyway, and no jail time. Where&#39;s the justice in that? A good sound thrashing might not do any good, but it sure as shit is going to make you feel better if you&#39;re the one dishing it out.

You joined TODAY and this is your FIRST post.

What&#39;s the chances of that. [/b][/quote]
You think I&#39;m this kid, and I&#39;ve created an account to back myself up, or something?

Nope - wrong. I&#39;ve just come here from E%S%5 because our forums are down - in fact everything is down (again) and I thought I&#39;d check out your boards for signs of intelligent life. Since conversing with Illuminati and Withcheese a few times, I thought the K-Lite board was worth checking out. A few people are likely to try and change my mind now, but I don&#39;t mind that. I&#39;m not here as a fanboy spammer or a troll, so there&#39;s no reason to start a war - especially after you&#39;ve just expressed your thoughts on not attacking people

[cpt_azad]

lmfao, jpol thought i was u? lol, i guess that&#39;s understandable. as for the whole jpol not believing or i actually did it thing, u don&#39;t gotta believe me dude, i don&#39;t give a care in the world who believes, it&#39;s what i did that makes a difference. sure they might come back to get me, sure what i did was wrong, sure the dvd&#39;s are replacable. but one thing u can&#39;t understand is the emotional distress (that&#39;s right, even a 16 year old) u go thru. man, i don&#39;t even feel safe in this house anymore, the house that i&#39;ve been living in for more than 10 years now (btw, the insurance ppl are gonna give us 1300 bucks, but 500 bucks comes out of our pockets, seems they did more damage than first met the eye), as i type (3:27 am, can&#39;t sleep) i have a knife next to me. also the fact that i couldn&#39;t stop what i did, when i took that first punch i couldn&#39;t stop it, it was gonna happen and it did. J&#39;pol, u&#39;re a good law-biding citizen, are u not? tell me, would u have calmly written down the license plate number (btw, it was complete darkness when they came, and the car was parked in the parking shed [not really a shed, but it&#39;s not a garage, it&#39;s just a covered area] and u couldn&#39;t see the license plate so good luck)? what would ur actions be? all i know is, if something like this happens next time, i&#39;ll try to act more civilized because even i&#39;ve come to terms and realized what i did was not only wrong but pretty damn stupid. life sucks, that term goes for both me and the thieves.

[J'Pol]

No need for a war.

However given ESV&#39;s "administrator&#39;s" attitude towards physical violence as a solution to problems it is not surprising that one of their sycophants takes a similar line.

Neither did I suggest that you are the prat who started this. Tho&#39; now you suggest it, I have to think it is a distinct possibility. It would make sense for a troublemaker to start such a thread with the intent on spreading discord.

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by cpt_azad@10 April 2004 - 12:24
(btw, it was complete darkness when they came, and the car was parked in the parking shed [not really a shed, but it&#39;s not a garage, it&#39;s just a covered area] and u couldn&#39;t see the license plate so good luck)?

When did the crime take place. Was it early in the morning.

[Cheese]

Originally posted by blunt_on_tour+10 April 2004 - 10:13--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (blunt_on_tour &#064; 10 April 2004 - 10:13)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by J&#39;Pol@10 April 2004 - 10:42

Originally posted by blunt_on_tour@10 April 2004 - 11:07

Originally posted by J&#39;Pol@10 April 2004 - 09:27

Originally posted by hobbes@10 April 2004 - 04:03
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@9 April 2004 - 06:39
as for asking them b4 kicking their ass, when i went up to him the bitch is like "what r u gonna do?" in a bad attitude way, i didn&#39;t even say anything, first impulse was right in the face, hit him as hard as i could, he didn&#39;t get back for 1 minute or fuck, you touch my stuff and ur as good as a dead man (or a severly beaten up one at best)

Jpol,

I&#39;m going to have have to go with the kid on this one. Not because what he did was right, but I would have done the same thing.

Then you are worse than him.

This is a fantasist who concocted a story for some sort of cheap kudos on the interweb. Or if you choose to believe him, someone who actually behaved in that manner.

"i don&#39;t give a fuck, cuz i broke his nose, jaw, and leg. what a pussy, ironic thing: i&#39;m only 16,"

It is interesting that this adrenalin filled 16 year old semi-literate chose to highlight the irony of the situation.

If you are willing to beat others violently, risking permanent damage or death to either them or you. Not because they are physically threatening you or yours. Not as an act of self defence. But because they stole some DVDs from your house, when you weren&#39;t in it. Then said "what are you going to do about it". Then you are worse than him, because you should know better.

The telling part in your post is that you identified the comment "what are you going to do about it" as a pivotal moment. That is when the violence was inevitable. Could such a reaction be any more reminiscent of the schoolyard. I don&#39;t see how it could.

As I have said, if he went into his house when they were there, uninvited. Or had they attacked him, then that is a different story. One is entirely right to defend one&#39;s self.

Is health and life so cheap to you. It is to be hoped that when the nose and jaw were being broken no brain damage occurred.

You say that like a person that&#39;s never been a victim of theft. I&#39;ve had over £4,000 worth of stuff stolen (in total) from me over the last ten years, on three occasions. After your loss has been discovered, you feel a range of emotions from violation of privacy to absolute rage and futility. If I could have got my hands on the people who stole from me on these occasions I don&#39;t think I would have thought much about beating the crap out of them - it would have just happened in a blinding fit of rage.

Why the hell should anybody have to put up with their hard earned property being stolen? The police do nothing about it, even if you know who the thieves are, and on the rare occasions these burglars are caught and prosecuted, they&#39;re given trivial fines that they don&#39;t pay anyway, and no jail time. Where&#39;s the justice in that? A good sound thrashing might not do any good, but it sure as shit is going to make you feel better if you&#39;re the one dishing it out.

You joined TODAY and this is your FIRST post.

What&#39;s the chances of that.

You think I&#39;m this kid, and I&#39;ve created an account to back myself up, or something?

Nope - wrong. I&#39;ve just come here from E%S%5 because our forums are down - in fact everything is down (again) and I thought I&#39;d check out your boards for signs of intelligent life. Since conversing with Illuminati and Withcheese a few times, I thought the K-Lite board was worth checking out. A few people are likely to try and change my mind now, but I don&#39;t mind that. I&#39;m not here as a fanboy spammer or a troll, so there&#39;s no reason to start a war - especially after you&#39;ve just expressed your thoughts on not attacking people [/b][/quote]
(Off-topic)

Hiya blunt

Nice to see you here B) Don&#39;t think I&#39;ve been to es% since that whole PMs being read thing, lol that was quite good fun.

[cpt_azad]

Originally posted by J&#39;Pol+10 April 2004 - 03:29--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J&#39;Pol @ 10 April 2004 - 03:29)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-cpt_azad@10 April 2004 - 12:24
(btw, it was complete darkness when they came, and the car was parked in the parking shed [not really a shed, but it&#39;s not a garage, it&#39;s just a covered area] and u couldn&#39;t see the license plate so good luck)?

When did the crime take place. Was it early in the morning. [/b][/quote]
the actual break in and entering happened at day time when none of us were home, but they had the nerve to come back that night at around 12:45-1:00 am (not sure exact time). we had asked our neighbors if they had saw something suspicious, they said they saw a red camero in the parking area with 2 guys quickly loading things in it at around 2 pm (daytime break in entering). that same red camero came in at 12:45-1:00 am as said above wit the 2 thieves. that was more than enough evidence for me. i still can&#39;t get over that it was the tenants that did this, guess we&#39;ll have to do EXTENSIVE BACKGROUND CHECKS from now on b4 renting out the basement.