Just Got Broken Into...

[hobbes]

Then you are worse than him.

I guess you simply cannot understand the point here.

The violence arouse from a response to violation of his "space" and a sense of impotence. It had NOTHING to do with what was actually stolen, nothing.

It appears that events flowed quickly and the time between the news that he had been robbed and his emotional reaction to it and his ultimate confrontation with the perpetrators was rather abrupt.

I stated that it was not "the right thing to do", but that I could understand how a 16 year old might get caught up in the moment and let emotion and adrenaline rule the day.

In that millisecond between throwing the punch and stepping away, the whole scenario pivoted. Violence was NOT inevitable, but given his age (a schoolyard lad) odds favored violence. Once his fist decided the outcome, logic was tossed aside and the lad totally lost control. Have you never lost control and had to be restrained?

As for his first post, why take the details and emotions at face value, certainly you have the ability to spot an adrenaline stoked rant. You read for what it is, a release valve for his post traumatic rage.

Have you never been involved in a close call in an auto accident or something else. When the threat passes, you find yourself trembling as that adrenaline continues to course through your body. Just like you might scream obsenities at the other driver, he released his equivalent here. Give him 24 hours, he will regret the situation and be ashamed that he wanted to kick the shit out of someone, but he will still retain the satisfaction that those who fucked with him learned a lesson.

If you came home and found people stealing your stuff, why should you suddenly be able to attack? It is just stuff. Would you let them put it down and then just walk out. I would beat them crap out of them. Again, it is not about the "stuff", but about the violation.

As for brain damage to the punks, it seems that their goods are already damaged and I might consider a fist to the head "corrective therapy".

We can debate the appropriate means to handle such a situation and I certainly would have let the police take care of matters, but we cannot deny the animal pleasure we derive from righting a wrong which has been inflicted upon us.


edit: I think blunt on tour, said this better than I, now that I have had a chance to read the whole thread. I have never been victimized so I am not as in touch with the spectrum of emotion such an occurance can evoke.

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by Withcheese@10 April 2004 - 19:26
Well it's more than a pleasure to have you here blunt, but if you do decide to stay will you have to change your name?

Too much of a rhyming slang problem.

Certainly I have been known to miss tipe when with apple.

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by hobbes@10 April 2004 - 19:41

Then you are worse than him.

I guess you simply cannot understand the point here.

The violence arouse from a response to violation of his "space". It had NOTHING to do with what was actually stolen, nothing.

It appears that events flowed quickly and the time between the news that he had been robbed and his emotional reaction to it and his ultimate confrontation with the perpetrators was rather abrupt.

I stated that it was not "the right thing to do", but that I could understand how a 16 year old might get caught up in the moment and let emotion and adrenaline rule the day.

In that millisecond between throwing the punch and stepping away, the whole scenario pivoted. Violence was NOT inevitable, but given his age (a schoolyard lad) odds favored violence. Once his fist decided the outcome, logic was tossed aside and the lad totally lost control. Have you never lost control and had to be restrained?

As for his first post, why take the details and emotions at face value, certainly you have the ability to spot an adrenaline stoked rant. You read for what it is, a release valve for his post traumatic rage.

Have you never been involved in a close call in an auto accident or something else. When the threat passes, you find yourself trembling as that adrenaline continues to course through your body. Just like you might scream obsenities at the other driver, he released his equivalent here. Give him 24 hours, he will regret the situation and be ashamed that he wanted to kick the shit out of someone, but he will still retain the satisfaction that those who fucked with him learned a lesson.

If you came home and found people stealing your stuff, why should you suddenly be able to attack? It is just stuff. Would you let them put it down and then just walk out. I would beat them crap out of them. Again, it is not about the "stuff", but about the violation.

As for brain damage to the punks, it seems that their goods are already damaged and I might consider a fist to the head "corrective therapy".

We can debate the appropriate means to handle such a situation and I certainly would have let the police take care of matters, but we cannot deny the animal pleasure we derive from righting a wrong which has been inflicted upon us.

I do understand the point, I simply totally disagree with you. Not a problem for either of us. It happens often enough.

Have you read the full thread btw. It is apparent, as it was from the start, that the story is bunkum.

Another point I would like you to consider is that you saying I support the kid makes it more likely for those easily influenced to try the same sort of thing. You have provided positive reinforcement for GBH. Nice one, you should be proud.

What do you intend justifying for them next, I wait with interest. Could it be music piracy .... oh never mind.

[blunt_on_tour]

Originally posted by J&#39;Pol+10 April 2004 - 18:43--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J&#39;Pol &#064; 10 April 2004 - 18:43)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Withcheese@10 April 2004 - 19:26
Well it&#39;s more than a pleasure to have you here blunt, but if you do decide to stay will you have to change your name?

Too much of a rhyming slang problem.

Certainly I have been known to miss tipe when with apple. [/b][/quote]
Yeah, maybe Berkley_Hunt would suit me better?

Well, it looks like I jumped to the wrong conclusion (not a new thing in itself) - the ES5 board is back up again. Guess I&#39;ll have to delete all the posts I made slagging them off now? Nah - it&#39;s nothing I haven&#39;t said before to them.

I will continue to come here though; it&#39;s about time I got out more and explored other forums. Over the past six months I&#39;ve only frequented the one board on a regular basis, and frankly it can be a bit boring

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by blunt_on_tour+10 April 2004 - 20:06--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (blunt_on_tour @ 10 April 2004 - 20:06)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by J&#39;Pol@10 April 2004 - 18:43
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@10 April 2004 - 19:26
Well it&#39;s more than a pleasure to have you here blunt, but if you do decide to stay will you have to change your name?

Too much of a rhyming slang problem.

Certainly I have been known to miss tipe when with apple.

Yeah, maybe Berkley_Hunt would suit me better?

Well, it looks like I jumped to the wrong conclusion (not a new thing in itself) - the ES5 board is back up again. Guess I&#39;ll have to delete all the posts I made slagging them off now? Nah - it&#39;s nothing I haven&#39;t said before to them.

I will continue to come here though; it&#39;s about time I got out more and explored other forums. Over the past six months I&#39;ve only frequented the one board on a regular basis, and frankly it can be a bit boring [/b][/quote]
Yeah I noticed it&#39;s back up.

It appears Mr Cohen&#39;s next venture is to be a &#036; 2,300,000,000 Hotel / Casino complex.

Good to hear you will be sticking about here as well.

[cpt_azad]

Originally posted by J&#39;Pol+10 April 2004 - 03:56--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J&#39;Pol @ 10 April 2004 - 03:56)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by cpt_azad@10 April 2004 - 12:40

Originally posted by J&#39;Pol@10 April 2004 - 03:29
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@10 April 2004 - 12:24
(btw, it was complete darkness when they came, and the car was parked in the parking shed [not really a shed, but it&#39;s not a garage, it&#39;s just a covered area] and u couldn&#39;t see the license plate so good luck)?

When did the crime take place. Was it early in the morning.

the actual break in and entering happened at day time when none of us were home, but they had the nerve to come back that night at around 12:45-1:00 am (not sure exact time). we had asked our neighbors if they had saw something suspicious, they said they saw a red camero in the parking area with 2 guys quickly loading things in it at around 2 pm (daytime break in entering). that same red camero came in at 12:45-1:00 am as said above wit the 2 thieves. that was more than enough evidence for me. i still can&#39;t get over that it was the tenants that did this, guess we&#39;ll have to do EXTENSIVE BACKGROUND CHECKS from now on b4 renting out the basement.

You said in your first post that

"they showed up at 4 pm, how stupid, this was right after i got home and heard the news from my dad."

So if it happened at 2pm, and you got home sometime between 2 and 4, during which time your Dad told you about the robbery. Then they arrived at about 4 and you beat the crap out of them. How does 1am come into it. [/b][/quote]
break down of events:

actual break in and entering happened at 2 pm
dad got home at 3:30 pm
i got home at 4 pm
the thieves came back at 1 am that night that&#39;s when the fight happened.

[cpt_azad]

Originally posted by lynx@10 April 2004 - 04:28
I hadn&#39;t realised until now just how efficient things are in Vancouver.

A robbery, with much of the proceeds recovered.
A vicious assault, with the perpetrator released, but from the sound of it sentenced to 100 hours community service and a court date fixed to determine the amount of a fine.
And an insurance settlement agreed.

And all within 24 hours.

amazing but true:

1) for those that live in vancouver, or surrey for that matter, know that there is a pawnshop next to (and i mean right next) a police station on king george hwy, how stupid can those guys get. so when we phoned the police and told them about the stolen goods (this is b4 the fight when we found out there was a breakin and entering done by our tenants) they sent some officers to that pawn shop and found the receiver and some of the dvds (no xbox games ).

2) estimated. the cop that got their after the fight (at night time) got me to the ground read me my rights, and after a few minutes they had to leave after they heard about the situation, they gave me an estimation and told me that i&#39;d be getting a nasty phone call and the cop told me to EXPECT 100 hrs community service and a hefty fine and also concluded that the court date would most likely be in june, haven&#39;t gotten the phone call yet though but i eventually will

3) As for the insurance, we claimed for it even b4 the police retrieved the goods from the pawn shop. they gave us the estimated amount of how much they would give us.

NOTE: when we contacted the police about the break in and entering (b4 the police went to the pawn shop) we phoned the non-emergency number, and anyone that lives in vancouver and has ever dialed that number knows how long u gotta wait

[J'Pol]

This is what you said

"they showed up at 4 pm, how stupid, this was right after i got home and heard the news from my dad. rule #1: never steal from a guy who can bench press 225 lbs and curl 50 lbs dumbells, i went out there and got right up to him, beat the living shit out of him, my dad and all the neighbors were yelling for me to stop"

Nothing about the fight at 1am. You actually said you beat them up at 4.

Later you said

"i don&#39;t care, because they have enough evidence on those tenants, i just got a hefty fine of maximum 500 dollars (undecided until june) and 100 hours of community service."

When was your trial exactly, later the same day.That really is swift justice.

You&#39;re just making it worse by coming up with crap explanations for your inconsistent story. Stop embarrassing yourself.

[RGX]

"And so your honour I rest my case&#33;"

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by RGX@10 April 2004 - 23:55
"And so your honour I rest my case&#33;"

M&#39;Lord in fact, but other than that ....