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[Virtualbody1234]

@james_bond_rulez:

This whole issue was started by your disrespect towards clocker's efforts.

Any further posts about this subject or that is disrespectful to members here or towards me then I will put you on moderation.

End of subject.

[clocker]

Originally posted by FlyingDutchman+11 June 2004 - 19:09--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FlyingDutchman @ 11 June 2004 - 19:09)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-clocker@3 May 2004 - 04:41
Sorry...couldn&#39;t resist.
I&#39;ve been tinkering with the balance of my fan speeds and I think I finally hit the "sweet spot".

Nonsense &#33;

Here Clocker was far and far away from silent rig.
First I would like to know what ambient temps were before I comment further, but these are suspect at least.

Sorry for being sceptical, but it seems a fairy tale. [/b][/quote]
Dutchman,
If I recall correctly,on that date in early May it was probably fairly cool.
You will also note that the 4 hour period shown on that log was early in the morning.

Whence the skepticism?
I did not claim in that post (or that thread either) that Sprocket was silent at that time...I would characterize her as "quiet", however.
Noise is a very subjective matter and we have no standard by which to compare.

If you are suggesting that I doctored the log file, either post production ( say, with Photoshop) or pre-reading ( by tweaking the correction factors in MBM), then I can assure that I have/will never do such a thing.
What would be the point?

That reading was taken when I still ran my Asus A7N8x-Deluxe board, and I have since read that Asus might have a tendency to underreport temps.
This is possible, but I certainly did nothing to alter the figures I was getting.

[FlyingDutchman]

Originally posted by clocker@12 June 2004 - 05:11
Dutchman,
....
Whence the skepticism?
I did not claim in that post (or that thread either) that Sprocket was silent at that time...I would characterize her as "quiet", however.
Noise is a very subjective matter and we have no standard by which to compare.

If you are suggesting that I doctored the log file, either post production ( say, with Photoshop) or pre-reading ( by tweaking the correction factors in MBM), then I can assure that I have/will never do such a thing.
What would be the point?

That reading was taken when I still ran my Asus A7N8x-Deluxe board, and I have since read that Asus might have a tendency to underreport temps.
This is possible, but I certainly did nothing to alter the figures I was getting.

I didn&#39;t want to suggest you doctored those readings.

But I do think those readings are far from the truth.

Here we have an article where people tried to find the truth on temperature-readings from the CPU-diode.
Conclusion: On that board/BIOS the software reported 5° to 8° too low.

I think the differential is even greater, and here is why:

Energy flows from a high level to a lower level ----&#62; The heatsink needs to be cooler than the CPU otherwise the heat can&#39;t flow to the heatsink. From my own observations I estimate this differential to be 2° to 3° C.
In the article I linked they took readings from the heatsink, so you need to add these 2-3° to the differential they found.
So, using these numbers the temps in your table were 7° to 11° too low.

Only when we have a good estimate of what reality looks like, we can recognize bogus readings. Especially you, and I should try to present the truth here, as many members don&#39;t question what you write. (Clocker knows)

Peace.

Edit: changed "high" to "low"

[clocker]

Dutchman,
I am familiar with the article you cite ( in fact, it is the very one I was referring to above) and am struggling with trying to assess my temps as we speak.

I admit that my Asus readings might have been low, just as I believe that my current Abit temps are artificially high.

Unfortunately, I have no real scientific method of gathering accurate reads.
I have installed temp sensors on my chip ( as close to the core as I could) and also one in the fins of my heatsink and am looking to acquire hardware based readings instead of software derived ones.
There seems to be too much room for error using on-board sensor readings*.

Personally I have always regarded the temp data as relative anyway...I have stated in the past and still believe that my data is useful not so much to claim any given result, but rather to describe the difference between different cooling solutions. Actual temperatures are irrelevant ( especially given the contraversial nature of their veracity), what matters to me is did a given mod help or hinder my cooling.

I suppose that, as with everything else on the internet, a healthy dose of skepticism is called for here...I try to pre-apply it to my posts as deception has never been my goal, but I continue to stand behind the essential verity of my results.



* I am reminded of a case involving the early Datsun 240Zs here.
The oil pressure guage in the first two model years read from 0 to 100 psi with a mark in the middle of the scale. Most people thought that this center mark indicated the proper running oil pressure when in fact it did not. Datsun was getting many customer complaints of "low oil pressure" in new cars.
Their solution?
Replace the guage with one that had no mark on it.

I wonder if the motherboard manufacturers tweak their sensors to comfort consumers instead of reflecting the ugly reality that our PCs generally run hotter than hell and not much can be done about it....

[tesco]

Originally posted by clocker@12 June 2004 - 10:23
I wonder if the motherboard manufacturers tweak their sensors to comfort consumers instead of reflecting the ugly reality that our PCs generally run hotter than hell and not much can be done about it....

i thought that too, but feel your heatsync...it isn&#39;t hot...can&#39;t be in the 50&#39;s or whatever...

[clocker]

That may be true Ross, if you are willing to assume that the heatsink ( you really should get that spelling right...your "Canadian spelling" explanation just doesn&#39;t cut it ) is really doing it&#39;s job.
Either the temp IS lower than reported OR the interface between the chip and sink sucks and the poor CPU is frying while the HS sits there cool as a cucumber.

[tesco]

Originally posted by clocker@12 June 2004 - 10:40
That may be true Ross, if you are willing to assume that the heatsink ( you really should get that spelling right...your "Canadian spelling" explanation just doesn&#39;t cut it ) is really doing it&#39;s job.
Either the temp IS lower than reported OR the interface between the chip and sink sucks and the poor CPU is frying while the HS sits there cool as a cucumber.

at the cumumber , at the heatsink&#092;heatsync.

it isn&#39;t canadian spelling, it is just how i choose to spell it

[kaiweiler]

Originally posted by ROSSCO_2004+12 June 2004 - 11:44--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ROSSCO_2004 @ 12 June 2004 - 11:44)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-clocker@12 June 2004 - 10:40
That may be true Ross, if you are willing to assume that the heatsink ( you really should get that spelling right...your "Canadian spelling" explanation just doesn&#39;t cut it ) is really doing it&#39;s job.
Either the temp IS lower than reported OR the interface between the chip and sink sucks and the poor CPU is frying while the HS sits there cool as a cucumber.

at the cumumber , at the heatsink&#092;heatsync.

it isn&#39;t canadian spelling, it is just how i choose to spell it [/b][/quote]
go back to grade 1














haha payback that&#39;s all...

[clocker]

Originally posted by ROSSCO_2004@12 June 2004 - 08:44


it isn&#39;t canadian spelling, it is just how i choose to spell it

Oh, alright then.

Just be aware that, everytime you do that, I am ( forcably) reminded of a infamous (now defunct, fortunately) boy band for some reason.

[tesco]

Originally posted by clocker+12 June 2004 - 10:53--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (clocker @ 12 June 2004 - 10:53)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-ROSSCO_2004@12 June 2004 - 08:44


it isn&#39;t canadian spelling, it is just how i choose to spell it

Oh, alright then.

Just be aware that, everytime you do that, I am ( forcably) reminded of a infamous (now defunct, fortunately) boy band for some reason. [/b][/quote]
never again...

heatink, heatsink, heatsynk, shit, heatsink...