Girl Charged With Child Porn

[leftism]

Originally posted by chalice+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (chalice)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>It just seems to me that child abuse is on the increase. We owe a lot of it to the proliferation the net has permitted.[/b]

Absolutely. But charging this girl with child abuse will not make any difference to that because its a completely separate issue. I think its safe to say that the majority of child porn isn&#39;t of this nature.

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I believe no instance of this crime can be trivialized and I find it quite insulting that you think I&#39;m treating the matter lightly.

You&#39;ve hurt my feelings now, Leftism. I&#39;m off for a cry.
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Sorry about that dude , but saying this is a case of child abuse does trivialise the issue. This incident is not child abuse, it&#39;s far less serious than that. Most people in this thread seem to agree with that.

[chalice]

Originally posted by masta.z+21 April 2004 - 22:30--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (masta.z &#064; 21 April 2004 - 22:30)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-chalice@21 April 2004 - 15:34

What possesses a child to behave this way?

proof that you don&#39;t know many girls of 15, 16 or 17... i do, and i know for certain that more than one of them has done or still does this sort of thing from time to time [/b][/quote]
I knew plenty of 15 year old girls when I was 15. Have they changed much in 15 years?

[leftism]

I knew plently of 15 year old girls when I was 15. Have they changed much in 15 years?

Probably not but access to the net was nowhere near as widespread as it is now.

When I was at school (10 years ago) a small proportion of the girls (10% ish) were sleeping with 18+ year old guys. Not a particularly pleasant thought but thats the reality of the situation.

I doubt it&#39;s improved much over the last decade.

[masta.z]

Originally posted by chalice+21 April 2004 - 18:38--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (chalice @ 21 April 2004 - 18:38)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by masta.z@21 April 2004 - 22:30
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@21 April 2004 - 15:34

What possesses a child to behave this way?

proof that you don&#39;t know many girls of 15, 16 or 17... i do, and i know for certain that more than one of them has done or still does this sort of thing from time to time

I knew plenty of 15 year old girls when I was 15. Have they changed much in 15 years? [/b][/quote]
unless i only know the wrong ones then yeah they must have

[Arm]

Originally posted by dwightfry@21 April 2004 - 12:12
Zero tolerance is bull shit&#33; Everything isn&#39;t black and white...there are gray areas. Zero tolerance ignores the original intent of the law. Fuck Zero Tolerance in ANY situation.

:beerchug: Hell yeah about time people agreed with me. Actually nothing is black and white to me.

[Alex H]

Originally posted by chalice
As for ruining her future, I &#39;m sad for her but its of her own doing (maybe).

So when are you legally accountable for your actions? 18? 16? 15?

Her actions seem to be less like a school teacher raping a student in the toilet block and more like a drunk walking around with no pants.

Public indecency would be a better option, so she does get a slap on the wrist and gets to grow up with out having PAEDOPHILE flash up on a computer screen every time she goes for a job.

Child abuse? Isn&#39;t that something that someone else does to you?

[dwightfry]

Child Pornography laws were not put in place with the intent to prosecute 15 yr old girls exploring there sexuality via 21st century tools.

[j2k4]

Originally posted by dwightfry@22 April 2004 - 06:59
Child Pornography laws were not put in place with the intent to prosecute 15 yr old girls exploring there sexuality via 21st century tools.

Well-put, Renfield, and this is where the tailoring of the penalty to suit the offense can take place; as I said before, I believe there ought to be a punitive aspect, but, as has been mentioned here by others, her record ought to be completely expunged when she becomes an adult, provided she successfully completes whatever probation/penalty/treatment is prescribed by the authorities.

In other words, she need not be permanently stained nor stigmatized by this juvenile offense, and I believe the operant mechanisms are already in place, or at least they were not too long ago.

Hopefully that has not changed.

[Biggles]

Originally posted by Rat Faced@21 April 2004 - 19:46


She just needs a clip around the ear by her parents and the PC taken off her.

I would tend to agree Rat Face.

If the length and breadth of this case is that she was "enjoying" others seeing her then it would seem more likely that if she has a kink then it is exhibitionism. This (I read somewhere ) is a popular female fantasy. The fact that she was only 15 is, I suspect, coincidental. The attempt to somehow tar her otherwise says more about our moral panic on this topic than her sexuality.

It may be some of her "chums" on the net were heavily breathing 40 year old men and not "really cool" 16 year old boys. However, this is not her fault.

File under "Waste of time and resources" ......again

[J'Pol]

If a 40 year old man said to her.

I will speak to you and treat you like an adult if you publish pictures of yourself on the internet.

You do not have to do this it is entirely up to you, there is no pressure your choice entirely. I will not post the photographs, it is you who will do it if you wish to and only then.

If she then went ahead and did it.

Which of them would be commiting an offence.