Ron Atkinson

[DanB]

I thought it was only aired in the Middle East


On their coverage of the match that is

[Arm]

Originally posted by 4th gen@22 April 2004 - 15:01
For a white person to say "nigg*r" is unacceptable but for a black person to say it is slightly more acceptable. However, if a black person says "crack*r", it's basically the same as a white person saying "nigg*r". Racism is relative

No cracker is not an offensive word. There is no racial slur you can make to a white man. Calling a white man a cracker wont offend anyone. B)

[leftism]

Originally posted by Arm+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Arm)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>No cracker is not an offensive word. [/b]

It is actually. It&#39;s intended to be a derogatory term for a white person.

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here is no racial slur you can make to a white man[/quote]

Double standards?

Anyway I digress..

Although what he said was completely unacceptable, I would be surprised if he was a genuine racist. He was hiring young black players when most managers wouldn&#39;t touch them with a 10 foot poll.I&#39;ve also seen black players on the news supporting him. I doubt they would be doing this if the guy really was a racist.

I think he was right to resign, but if it turns out that this is all he is remembered for I think that would be a shame.

[J'Pol]

Please stop mis-quoting people, or quoting them out of context. I for one am getting sick of it.

He did not say "here is no racial slur you can make to a white man"

He said "There is no racial slur you can make to a white man. Calling a white man a cracker wont offend anyone."

You knew perfectly well what the post meant.

[Arm]

Originally posted by leftism+22 April 2004 - 20:05--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (leftism @ 22 April 2004 - 20:05)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Arm
No cracker is not an offensive word.

It is actually. It&#39;s intended to be a derogatory term for a white person. [/b][/quote]
-_- Well no shit but who gets offended by calling someone a cracker. You cannot make a racist term for a white man and expect it to offend someone. The white men are on top of the world and coming up with alot of the racist comments so calling them a cracker wont offend them. When someone calls me a cracker I think nothing about it because it doesnt hurt me.

[leftism]

Originally posted by J;Pol+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J;Pol)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>He did not say "here is no racial slur you can make to a white man"

He said ". Calling a white man a cracker wont offend anyone."[/b]

Are you seriously suggesting the second sentence affects the meaning of the first?

Tell me what does "There is no racial slur you can make to a white man" mean on its own, and what does "There is no racial slur you can make to a white man." mean when the second sentence is placed after it?

If you want to see an example of misquoting look to yourself.

Originally posted by leftism+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (leftism)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
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I do not "support the supply of lewd photographs of 15 year old girls".

Yes you did.

You implied that for someone to post these photographs was acceptable, as long as the poster was also the subject.
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No I did not.

I said that she should not be jailed for what she has done and should not be facing such serious charges or be labelled a "child pornographer".

Thats quite different from "implying" that what this girl did is "acceptable".
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I don&#39;t misquote people and I dont attempt to insinuate someone is a paedophile just because they disagree with me. I leave such honourable work to those who are worthy of it.

[leftism]

Originally posted by Arm
Well no shit but who gets offended by calling someone a cracker. You cannot make a racist term for a white man and expect it to offend someone. The white men are on top of the world and coming up with alot of the racist comments so calling them a cracker wont offend them.

Ah right, so because "white men are on top of the world and coming up with alot of the racist comments" you cannot be racially offensive towards white people.

I would be offended if a black guy called me a "cracker" or a "white bastard". Is there any reason why I shouldn&#39;t be?

[vidcc]

someone once said on the forum " I had to do it, i read your post and i rolled my eyes so far back in their sockets i was looking at the floor behind me "

I wonder if anyone can guess which post here made me do just that?

Answers in the spam lounge only please

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by leftism+23 April 2004 - 02:05--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (leftism @ 23 April 2004 - 02:05)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
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here is no racial slur you can make to a white man

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That is a mis-quote. That is a matter of fact, not of opinion.

Oh and how is cracker racist. I was not aware of the word being such, prior to this thread.

Where I come from a "cracker" is something that is really good. As in "great joke, that&#39;s a cracker". So I certainly wouldn&#39;t be offended by it. Presumably in your neck of the woods it has an entirely different meaning.

I think this may be the point in relation to certain words. They have different meaning, or strength of meaning, to different groups or individuals.

[leftism]

Originally posted by J&#39;Pol+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J&#39;Pol)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>That is a mis-quote. That is a matter of fact, not of opinion.[/b]

No its not a misquote you keep saying it is but you are unable to explain the "real meaning" of the author and the "bogus meaning" I am alleged to have attached to it.

Originally posted by leftism+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (leftism)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Tell me what does "There is no racial slur you can make to a white man" mean on its own, and what does "There is no racial slur you can make to a white man." mean when the second sentence is placed after it?[/b]

Where did you verify that as fact?

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Oh and how is cracker racist. I was not aware of the word being such, prior to this thread.[/quote]

It is a derogatory term that can only be applied to white people. It&#39;s the equivalent of calling a black man "nigger". Google will bring you up to speed on it&#39;s origins.

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Where I come from a "cracker" is something that is really good. As in "great joke, that&#39;s a cracker". So I certainly wouldn&#39;t be offended by it. Presumably in your neck of the woods it has an entirely different meaning.
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So if a black guy came up to you and screamed "YOU FUCKING CRACKER" in your face would you think "wow that guy thinks I&#39;m &#39;something really good&#39;"? PLease.. don&#39;t be so facetious. You would automatically understand you were being insulted as it all comes down to the intention of the speaker.

However, I suspect you already know this, which makes me wonder why we&#39;re having this conversation in the first place.