A 2nd Chance For Those Who R Bannded

[hobbes]

Rip,

You guys are the ones who need to relax, that is the point.

Whatever the situation, you need to stop knee-jerking responses.

If someone crosses the line, put them on moderation, let them know this via PM and let things settle.

Sometimes when people get wound up they can spiral out of control. One post or one day, does not the poster make. Mods need to be the leaders and administer a "time out", and let the that person chill out.

Straight out bans without due process demonstrate to me that children should not be Mods.

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by Rip The Jacker@2 May 2004 - 20:54
OK, here is what I know so far. Cely wanted to be banned, and Haxor was banned for spamming/breaking the rules over and over. Thats what I know. Also, I did not read all 6 pages.

Now, we're discussing this entire issue at the moment, it isn't going unnoticed. Let me ask you this, and not all members do this, but how are we supposed to come up with a solution to our issue here when you guys keep putting us down? You guys don't realize how hard it is to moderate (or be the admin of) such a large forum.

When something like this happens, a mod/admin has to act, he/she has to do something about it, and fast... But the members? No. The members have all the time in the world to take a look at our actions, and form an opinion on it, then use that opinion against us. It's like being on trial everyday...

A discussion has been placed in the Team Chat, why not relax, and cut us some slack?

Fair point

However bear in mind that there is no mod conscription. As I understand it you (plural) were invited to do the job and agreed.

Similar to what people say to other members, if you don't like it you can stop. Liam found it took too much of his time so he ceased to be a mod. Others can do the same if they are unhappy. I think people would understand the reasons, particularly just now.

I think most of us accept that the mods may not have been consulted on a few things recently. You could not have done the banning so you cannot be responsible for it. We really should go back to warnings, moderation and ban if absolutely necessary. That's the way it works here.

[Cheese]

Originally posted by Rip The Jacker@2 May 2004 - 18:54
OK, here is what I know so far. Cely wanted to be banned, and Haxor was banned for spamming/breaking the rules over and over. Thats what I know. Also, I did not read all 6 pages.

Now, we're discussing this entire issue at the moment, it isn't going unnoticed. Let me ask you this, and not all members do this, but how are we supposed to come up with a solution to our issue here when you guys keep putting us down? You guys don't realize how hard it is to moderate (or be the admin of) such a large forum.

When something like this happens, a mod/admin has to act, he/she has to do something about it, and fast... But the members? No. The members have all the time in the world to take a look at our actions, and form an opinion on it, then use that opinion against us. It's like being on trial everyday...

A discussion has been placed in the Team Chat, why not relax, and cut us some slack?

You've used this Celery quote twice now to back up your arguments which imo is a little unfair. This was said on another forum after he was banned. This could be any number of things, just blowing off steam, just bull-shitting or whatever. I hope you are not going to continue linking to this quote and telling us "He was trying to get banned."

You're going to need a bit more evidence rather than a few posts after the fact.

[hobbes]

Originally posted by Withcheese+2 May 2004 - 21:16--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Withcheese @ 2 May 2004 - 21:16)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Rip The Jacker@2 May 2004 - 18:54
OK, here is what I know so far. Cely wanted to be banned, and Haxor was banned for spamming/breaking the rules over and over. Thats what I know. Also, I did not read all 6 pages.

Now, we&#39;re discussing this entire issue at the moment, it isn&#39;t going unnoticed. Let me ask you this, and not all members do this, but how are we supposed to come up with a solution to our issue here when you guys keep putting us down? You guys don&#39;t realize how hard it is to moderate (or be the admin of) such a large forum.

When something like this happens, a mod/admin has to act, he/she has to do something about it, and fast... But the members? No. The members have all the time in the world to take a look at our actions, and form an opinion on it, then use that opinion against us. It&#39;s like being on trial everyday...

A discussion has been placed in the Team Chat, why not relax, and cut us some slack?

You&#39;ve used this Celery quote twice now to back up your arguments which imo is a little unfair. This was said on another forum after he was banned. This could be any number of things, just blowing off steam, just bull-shitting or whatever. I hope you are not going to continue linking to this quote and telling us "He was trying to get banned."

You&#39;re going to need a bit more evidence rather than a few posts after the fact. [/b][/quote]
Actually Cheese, that was posted before he was banned. He was gloating and it bit him in the ass hard.

That being said, I fully support that he should have been given a time of moderation and a second chance.

Straight out bans are not appropriate.

[Rip The Jacker]

I think most of us accept that the mods may not have been consulted on a few things recently.

Exactly.

@Withcheese
Alright, what about a few posts before he was banned?

[[B][O][T]]

RIP They cant see those posts, as they&#39;re in the Trashcan.

BOT

[Rip The Jacker]

Actually hobbes is right. He posted that quote on the 28th, he had 8 posts on the 29th, it was posted before he was banned.

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Why not give the guy what he wants?

EDIT: Whoops, your right BOT. He posted 8 times on the 29th, 7 of those posts are in trashcan.

[Cheese]

Originally posted by hobbes+2 May 2004 - 19:21--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (hobbes @ 2 May 2004 - 19:21)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by Withcheese@2 May 2004 - 21:16
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@2 May 2004 - 18:54
OK, here is what I know so far. Cely wanted to be banned, and Haxor was banned for spamming/breaking the rules over and over. Thats what I know. Also, I did not read all 6 pages.

Now, we&#39;re discussing this entire issue at the moment, it isn&#39;t going unnoticed. Let me ask you this, and not all members do this, but how are we supposed to come up with a solution to our issue here when you guys keep putting us down? You guys don&#39;t realize how hard it is to moderate (or be the admin of) such a large forum.

When something like this happens, a mod/admin has to act, he/she has to do something about it, and fast... But the members? No. The members have all the time in the world to take a look at our actions, and form an opinion on it, then use that opinion against us. It&#39;s like being on trial everyday...

A discussion has been placed in the Team Chat, why not relax, and cut us some slack?

You&#39;ve used this Celery quote twice now to back up your arguments which imo is a little unfair. This was said on another forum after he was banned. This could be any number of things, just blowing off steam, just bull-shitting or whatever. I hope you are not going to continue linking to this quote and telling us "He was trying to get banned."

You&#39;re going to need a bit more evidence rather than a few posts after the fact.

Actually Cheese, that was posted before he was banned. He was gloating and it bit him in the ass hard.

That being said, I fully support that he should have been given a time of moderation and a second chance.

Straight out bans are not appropriate. [/b][/quote]
Fair enough, I should have paid more attention when you first posted the quote.

Still, this is so much bluster on Cely&#39;s part. What happens and is posted on other forums shouldn&#39;t have any bearing on what goes on here. Hopefully you&#39;ll be sticking to what was done here.

[Peerzy]

Originally posted by Rip The Jacker@2 May 2004 - 19:54
OK, here is what I know so far. Cely wanted to be banned, and Haxor was banned for spamming/breaking the rules over and over. Thats what I know. Also, I did not read all 6 pages.

Now, we&#39;re discussing this entire issue at the moment, it isn&#39;t going unnoticed. Let me ask you this, and not all members do this, but how are we supposed to come up with a solution to our issue here when you guys keep putting us down? You guys don&#39;t realize how hard it is to moderate (or be the admin of) such a large forum.

When something like this happens, a mod/admin has to act, he/she has to do something about it, and fast... But the members? No. The members have all the time in the world to take a look at our actions, and form an opinion on it, then use that opinion against us. It&#39;s like being on trial everyday...

A discussion has been placed in the Team Chat, why not relax, and cut us some slack?

Tottaly understod, however i still think that &#39;spur of the moment bannings shouldn&#39;t have happened. isnt that why the warn level is there, so Cely went from 0 warn level right up to 100% and being banned in one night

[J'Pol]

It is difficult to ignore what the chap is saying on other boards.

Particularly when he is abusing and insulting the people here.

However there is obviously an argument that only his behaviour here should be considered. If for no other reason that no-one really knows who is making the posts elsewhere, or if he is simply venting. Or posting that way to be accepted by the chaps at the other board. To be honest, this seems likely.

It is a really difficult one to decide on. Not as black and white as people seem to think.

The one thing I am totally certain of is that the system we used before, warning - moderation - long moderation - occasional ban is the best way.

As I have posted elsewhere, the mods should be left to moderate, they are good at it and knowledgeable about the different relationships between the people here. That is very important, as is knowing what people are normally like. One cannot judge properly based on one post, or series of posts. One need context.

In short, I think the mods need some support / slack just now, to give them a chance to get things sorted and back the way we like them.