Nick Berg Killing

[TROUBLE^MAKER]

Originally posted by hobbes@13 May 2004 - 15:43
Troublemaker,

Let's work on the creativity aspect a bit.

We really enjoyed the pee-pee stuff the first time.  Your use of ribald humor to justify your craving to watch a gruesome act, was a real treat for us all.  Using it a second time seems to reflect a lack of either effort or comedic range.

Also, when attempting to communicate, we adults, prefer to use the correct grammar.

"You had better..." would have been the ticket.

Cue the "irony" light.

Well, I blame myself for responding to you in the first place.  Your name is "trouble^maker" not "sense^maker".

Only babies can understand baby babble. I wouldn't want to confuse you.

[hobbes]

What part of creativity did you not understand?

[J'Pol]

If you truly wish the horror of the situation, don't bother watching a video of it, that tells you nothing. We are so de-sensitized by watching Hollywood horror movies that it is just another special effect to us.

Instead try to use your imagination and feel what this man felt, just before it happened. Imagine the most frightening thing that has ever happened to you, that you knew about in advance. Then imagine how you felt thinking about it going to happen, maybe someone waiting to give you a kicking after school and there was no way out of it. Remember that feeling, then multiply it a hundred, or a thousand times.

Imagine the absolute despair, you are bound and kneeling in the centre of the room, surrounded by your masked captives who are heavily armed. There is the foul smell of the sweaty and unwashed, including yourself. There is almost certainly the smell of urine and who knows what else. You know without doubt that they are going to cut your head off, there is no shadow of doubt it is going to happen. They make you say who you are, into a camera, they are filming this. You know people will be watching it. You hear your own voice, but it feels like someone else is talking, even though you recognize it. The you hear the voices in a foreign language and you know they are speaking hate. You know they are justifying what they are about to do to you, but why you - simply because you were there. You know it is going to happen soon and you know with total certainty that there is nothing to stop it. You can only wait ....

Close your eyes and try to imagine these things happening to you, try to imagine the smells and the sounds. Then you will know a fraction of how this man must have felt and a fraction of how utterly horrendous this was.

My prayers go out to him and his family. May he rest in peace and may they find consolation.

[Manny Roscoe]

Originally posted by J'Pol@13 May 2004 - 17:25
If you truly wish the horror of the situation, don't bother watching a video of it, that tells you nothing. We are so de-sensitized by watching Hollywood horror movies that it is just another special effect to us.

Instead try to use your imagination and feel what this man felt, just before it happened. Imagine the most frightening thing that has ever happened to you, that you knew about in advance. Then imagine how you felt thinking about it going to happen, maybe someone waiting to give you a kicking after school and there was no way out of it. Remember that feeling, then multiply it a hundred, or a thousand times.

Imagine the absolute despair, you are bound and kneeling in the centre of the room, surrounded by your masked captives who are heavily armed. There is the foul smell of the sweaty and unwashed, including yourself. There is almost certainly the smell of urine and who knows what else. You know without doubt that they are going to cut your head off, there is no shadow of doubt it is going to happen. They make you say who you are, into a camera, they are filming this. You know people will be watching it. You hear your own voice, but it feels like someone else is talking, even though you recognize it. The you hear the voices in a foreign language and you know they are speaking hate. You know they are justifying what they are about to do to you, but why you - simply because you were there. You know it is going to happen soon and you know with total certainty that there is nothing to stop it. You can only wait ....

Close your eyes and try to imagine these things happening to you, try to imagine the smells and the sounds. Then you will know a fraction of how this man must have felt and a fraction of how utterly horrendous this was.

My prayers go out to him and his family. May he rest in peace and may they find consolation.

It truly is a scary thought....

I too wish not to see another human being murdered in such a horrific matter.

I am so sorry for his family. May God bless them, and may nothing like this ever happen again.

[ziggyjuarez]

I think this Q has been asked b4 but Has eny1 did a traslation of what the men said on the video?

[Mathea]

Originally posted by ziggyjuarez@14 May 2004 - 04:36
I think this Q has been asked b4 but Has eny1 did a traslation of what the men said on the video?

So that we all know what the Islamofascists were saying before they murdered him, I'll give a translation [my comments appear thus] of their hate-spiel:


"The praise of Allah for all Muslims with his support and the humiliating of those who attempt to defeat Islam and who attack it and who entice the unbelievers with their cunning.

The one that appreciated the days countries with its justice and the prayer and the greeting on from above the Islam lighthouse by its sword as for after :

The Islamic nation
You rejoice at the first signs of the dawn that have started that have granted the wind of triumph. Allah was benevolent to us in Al Fallujah, granting us victory

On one of the days of Allah and that was known to Allah alone [fragment- the video had a serious time lag in it]

[To] The Islamic nation:
Does any excuse for waiting remain? How the free Muslim sleeps, with his eyelids closed.

And he sees that Islam is slaughtered and can be seen bleeding its dignity
And the shameful pictures and the news of the evil humiliation of the Islam people men and women in Ghareb 's father prison [in Iraq] then where the jealousy and where the zeal and where the anger about Allah's religion and where the jealousy for the Muslims sanctities and where the revenge for the honors of Muslims and Muslims is in the crosses [Christian's] prisons .

As for you, the Islam clerics then to Allah we complain about you, you see that Allah have founded the argument on you by the Islam young man who humiliated the strongest force in the date then broke its nose and destroyed its pride [condemns the clerics, for the 'young men' have humiliated America, so there is no cause for restraint]

We came to you that you learn from them the reliance meanings and derive from their doing the lessons of sacrifice and redemption to when you remain as the women you master only the slapping language and know only the way of wail and weeping [the clerics, who are supposed to teach 'the reliance teachings', only give speeches and complain; now is the time to act]

[this next is a list of what various 'moderate' muslims do. First one does this, then one does that...] Then this appeals the world freemen and this it begs [UN Secretary General] Kofi Annan and a third begs Amr Moussa [Arab League Secretary-General] and fourth he demands peaceful demonstrations and as if they did not hear to his saying ( ( O you the prophet incited the believers to the fight ) )

You were fed up with the fight of the conferences and the oratorical battles [who] came to you that you take the jihad way and carry the sword that sent by it the prophets master

And we beg from you that you do not be involved as usual in the denial of what will do satisfaction to the Americans

He [Allah] has ordered the prophet - peace be upon him - and he is master, the merciful, are with the slitting of the necks of some prisoners and their slow killing

And for us it is an example and a good example

As for you, the Roman dog Bush, I hope you are displeased and we wait for you, with God's Help, tough days and you and your soldiers today who tred Iraq's land will regret it.

And she dared in it to the Muslims fever [unclear- America adventured here to our displeasure, I think]
And another message to traitor Pervez Musharraf [President of Pakistan, US ally, currently] then we say to him that we in wait for your meeting with your soldiers [ie, in battle]

We demand of the American and will take revenge for the blood of our brothers in and Iraq and elsewhere

And as for you and the Americans soldiers & wives then we say that we offered to the American administration this prisoner in exchange for some of the prisoners in Abu Ghareb prison but they refused [uncertain on this part, whether it is in fact true]

Then we say but if the dignity of Muslims and Muslims in Abu Ghareb prison and others is worth their blood and souls
we tell you to know that the coffins will arrive to you one coffin after another, as your people are slaughtered in this way.........

Then you kill the polytheists [ie Christians] where you find them and you take them and count them and place them where they can be seen.

Allah is the greatest and the honour to Allah and to its messenger and to the militants

And our last claim is that the praise of Allah is the Lord of the Worlds"

Translation [sic] courtesy of Northeast Intelligence Network

this is taken from: Source

[Manny Roscoe]

I hope Iraq gets wiped off the fucking Earth with nukes......

[FuNkY CaPrIcOrN]

Originally posted by Manny Roscoe@14 May 2004 - 00:35
I hope Iraq gets wiped off the fucking Earth with nukes......

Yeah.I am sure that is going to solve something.

[Manny Roscoe]

Originally posted by FuNkY CaPrIcOrN+14 May 2004 - 02:11--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FuNkY CaPrIcOrN @ 14 May 2004 - 02:11)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Manny Roscoe@14 May 2004 - 00:35
I hope Iraq gets wiped off the fucking Earth with nukes......

Yeah.I am sure that is going to solve something. [/b][/quote]
Iraq has wanted peace for years, so we&#39;re gonna give it to em&#39;.

[Cheese]

Originally posted by Manny Roscoe+14 May 2004 - 03:25 --></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Manny Roscoe &#064; 14 May 2004 - 03:25 )</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>It truly is a scary thought....

I too wish not to see another human being murdered in such a horrific matter.

I am so sorry for his family. May God bless them, and may nothing like this ever happen again. [/b]

<!--QuoteBegin-Manny Roscoe@14 May 2004 - 06:08
I hope Iraq gets wiped off the fucking Earth with nukes...... [/quote]

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