Why Dont Muslims Emigrate To America

[Alex H]

Originally posted by hobbes@10 June 2004 - 02:45
A religion is not something you dabble in, it is based on belief without proof. I was representing people who follow their faith.

I think you're right there. That is why there are the two different terms "faith" and "religion".

You can ask someone, "Of what faith are you?", and they can say, "I follow the Christian faith, that is to say, I believe in one God and in following the teachings of Jesus. I'm not really religious - I don't go to church and I don't wear a cross around my neck, but I consider myself a Christian."

Religion is following an established organisation based on a particular faith.

I don't think

Your father has basically rejected Islam, though keeping those principles he finds convenient.

is particularly fair, as principals by definition are not "convenient". (I'd like to be a millionaire, but I don't go out an rob a bank, which would be easy in comparison to earning the money, because my principals dictate that stealing in unfair and therefor, wrong).

[Arm]

Yeah he probably rejected Islam. I dont know if he kept any of the principals or not. He never talks about religion, prays and obviously never goes to church. Maybe he figures that hes in a lifestyle where being religious serves no purpose but just weighs him down. His mother and brother are both deeply religious but not fundamentalists though.

And Americas economy is in the toilet and all the good high-tech jobs are disappearing. Going straight to India. Why come to a country to work a nice McJob or spend 6 months looking for a job that pays 9 bucks an hour?

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Originally posted by Neil__@15 May 2004 - 04:54
Why Dont Muslims Emigrate To America

Each year the Michigan community gets bigger: Annually, about 5,000 Arab immigrants enter the United States through Detroit
http://www.npr.org/news/specials/response/...105.muslim.html


looks like you topic is false and utterly wrong

OVERVIEW Muslim social scientists and researchers have spent a great deal of time trying to determine the number of Muslims in the United States. Most accept the estimate of from 5 million to 8 million. That is to say at least 5 million people in North America claim Islam as their religion and/or practice. What is represented in this report is based on estimates made in 1991, the World Almanac reports that Muslim in the United States number approximately 5,220,00. The total worldwide Muslim population is generally estimated at slightly more that 1 billion. David Barrett's publication, "International Bulletin of Missionary Research" cites a lower figure, 988,004,000.


An exact figure of Muslim population in the United States is very difficult to make. The figures presented here are based on available data.
http://www.islam101.com/history/population2_usa.html

[hobbes]

Originally posted by Arm@10 June 2004 - 07:04
Yeah he probably rejected Islam. I dont know if he kept any of the principals or not. He never talks about religion, prays and obviously never goes to church. Maybe he figures that hes in a lifestyle where being religious serves no purpose but just weighs him down. His mother and brother are both deeply religious but not fundamentalists though.

Arm,

What is the nature of the relationship between your father and his mother and brother?

If they are true followers and your father has turned away from Allah, that makes him an infidel in their eyes. Islam claims that infidels should be killed. This is how my Suadi co-worker explained things to me.

I asked him if he viewed me as an infidel. He said, "No, you are just ignorant and I feel sorry that you do not know Allah. Infidels are people who know in their hearts that Allah is God but do not follow his word".

I would imagine your father being raised Muslim would qualify him as "knowing" Allah.

Just curious.

[Arm]

Well I live with my mother and my dad comes to visit sometimes. Hes hard to live with. I dont have that great of a relationship with him. He does come over and we do talk but it aint great.

He lives in St. Louis, his sister lives in Dallas and is married to an American man who I am pretty sure isnt Muslim. His mother lives in Iran, along with his brother and father. They do call each other and talk alot. Maybe about once a month of maybe more then that. It's not bad. B)

And about that "kill the infidels" stuff exists in all religions. It's not like the Christians highly tolerate other religions. No they go around either killing and converting everyone whos not Christian. They got plenty of holy wars too.

I see it as both religions are both the same. They just both have assholes bastardizing the "word of God" to manipulate the people for their own beliefs and purposes.

[Alex H]

I see it as both religions are both the same. They just both have assholes bastardizing the "word of God" to manipulate the people for their own beliefs and purposes.

Well said Arm.

[Voetsek]

Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world - It is the opium of the people.

Karl Marx

[Arm]

If you wanna be an uncreative dittohead and quote Karl Marx then at least properly quote him.

"Religion is the opiate of the masses."

And yes all religion is bullshit. But Jesus preaching peace and love is different from holy rollers manipulating his heaivily distored words to free themself and enslave the people.

[aoyv73]

Originally posted by Voetsek@11 June 2004 - 10:40
Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world - It is the opium of the people.

Karl Marx

Go look it up this is right

[aoyv73]

http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/reli..._marx_opium.htm