The Ronald Reagan On Everything Thread

[j2k4]

I have another question, vid:

To what do you mainly attribute Reagan's defeat of Carter-the economic straits and overall malaise (his general fecklessness) or the hostage situation?

Not looking to score any points, just interested in your opinion.

Personally, I would go exclusively with option 1, under which, BTW-I also would list his boycott of the Moscow Games.

I actually didn't hold the hostage crisis (apart from the fiasco in the desert) against him (well, he did kinda really blow the situation with the Shah)....No, wait-yeah, yeah I did hold it against him.

But I'll stick with option 1, anyway.

[j2k4]

Originally posted by Rat Faced@17 June 2004 - 18:21

The only reason the USA still exists today, is because the Republicans dont stay in power long enough to destroy the country from within....in my opinion, of course

The only reason the U.K. exists today is Margaret Thatcher having saved it...
























...my opinion, as usual.

[vidcc]

Carter had troubles. he did achieve about 8 million new jobs and reduced the budget defecit however he had problems with high inflation and interest rates ( a problem if growth gets too fast) and the measures taken to combat this caused a short recession (this is where the voters suffer most). As to the maliase well i think it really started with the nixon watergate episode with people not trusting government and the hostage situation probably hammered the final nail in..

as to my oppinion i think it was a mixture of both that caused the defeat with the hostages taking a bit of a lead. Americans in general see themselves as supreme in the world and patriotism is never easier to raise than when some "tin pot" nation dares to be cheeky. Carter made every effort to resolve the situation diplomatically and when he did send the unsuccessful rescue mission in the nation saw it as Carters failure.
Reagan to his credit saw an opportunity and took it. He raised patriotism to such a level that he could have been the worst president ever and he would still be loved. America needed to feel good about itself and reagan was very good at saying the right things to achieve that and that's what the voters saw in the campaign.

if you want to know my view of presidents post Nixon/Ford i would have voted in this order should they all be miraculously up for election today and needed to be put in order

1. Clinton (i can hear your boos)

2. Bush snr.

3. Carter

4. Reagan

5. Bush jnr. (although i might need a gun pointed at my head to pull the lever and need to be heavily sedated for many years afterwards )

I am unashamedly impressed with the jobClinton did even with the problem with his zipper. If Bush jnr has a scandle of the same standard i would not use it against him. (there were rumours that Ronnie and Maggie would have made the beast with 2 backs if viagra was invented back then )

[BigBank_Hank]

Originally posted by vidcc@17 June 2004 - 22:59
5. Bush jnr. (although i might need a gun pointed at my head to pull the lever and need to be heavily sedated for many years afterwards )

I am hear by placing my application to be first in line to hold that position

[Busyman]

It's amazing how some folks tow the party line no matter what....like it's their religion.

Everything is good about their party.
They don't make mistakes.
Missteps are someone elses fault.
Good things that happen during their Presidents reign are only because of their President.

I see through your bullshit. It actually makes some of you actually dishonest.

I can understand this if you were the one actually running for office.
There is line between trying to get elected and being truthful.

...but here, this is a forum though. Cut the shit. You are not a Senator. You are not even head of your community association (if you even have one).

btw I am non-partisan.

[vidcc]

Originally posted by BigBank_Hank+17 June 2004 - 21:27--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BigBank_Hank @ 17 June 2004 - 21:27)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-vidcc@17 June 2004 - 22:59
5. Bush jnr. (although i might need a gun pointed at my head to pull the lever and need to be heavily sedated for many years afterwards )

I am hear by placing my application to be first in line to hold that position [/b][/quote]
Ahh a man that really does believe in the republican ethic

[rollwave]

OK this is too easy. Let me take &#39;em one at a time. 1)"the rich got richer": Everyone got richer under Reagan, especially African-Americans. African Americans made the biggest gains under RR (I hate to burden you with facts). But the people who reeaally got rich in the 80&#39;s were super-libs like Barbera Streisand, John Kerry, and George Soros(he&#39;s the guy who is trying to buy the election for Senator Flip Flop). Why don&#39;t these people give some of that money back to the people? Why does Kerry need 500 million?&#33; Can&#39;t he get by on...say...10 million? No of course not&#33; Like most libs its all talk and no action. The truth is that the Reagan Revolution brought the US the highest standard of living for all Americans that the world has ever seen. That&#39;s what low taxes and freedom does. It works every time it&#39;s tried. 2) "a nasty recession" : There was a recession the first 2 years of RR&#39;s term coming out of the hapless Carter years, but the economy rolled after the tax cuts kicked in ( very similar to G W Bush&#39;s first 2 years as evidenced by a now robust economy. I know,I know the libs in the media is trying to ignore the economy). Carter gave us 14% mortgage rates and 12% inflation. RR brought those down, thanks to his appointee Alan Greenspan. So...which policies worked best? Carter or Reagan?3) "rampant inflation" : Ha, ha, ha...this one is soooo wrong it&#39;s unbelievable, but I know libs are long on talk and short on facts. Inflation was through the ceiling under Carter as I mentioned earlier...please&#33; Read a history book and get back to me. 4) "Said nothing against apartheid" : That may be true. I don&#39;t know so I&#39;ll give you that one. RR had a pretty full plate what with fixing the economy and destroying communism.
Good night and God bless Nancy Reagan and Laura & George Bush.

[j2k4]

Originally posted by rollwave@18 June 2004 - 00:21
OK this is too easy. Let me take &#39;em one at a time. 1)"the rich got richer": Everyone got richer under Reagan, especially African-Americans. African Americans made the biggest gains under RR (I hate to burden you with facts). But the people who reeaally got rich in the 80&#39;s were super-libs like Barbera Streisand, John Kerry, and George Soros(he&#39;s the guy who is trying to buy the election for Senator Flip Flop). Why don&#39;t these people give some of that money back to the people? Why does Kerry need 500 million?&#33;&nbsp; Can&#39;t he get by on...say...10 million? No of course not&#33; Like most libs its all talk and no action. The truth is that the Reagan Revolution brought the US the highest standard of living for all Americans that the world has ever seen. That&#39;s what low taxes and freedom does. It works every time it&#39;s tried. 2) "a nasty recession" : There was a recession the first 2 years of RR&#39;s term coming out of the hapless Carter years, but the economy rolled after the tax cuts kicked in ( very similar to&nbsp; G W Bush&#39;s first 2 years as evidenced by a now robust economy. I know,I know the libs in the media is trying to ignore the economy). Carter gave us 14% mortgage rates and 12% inflation. RR brought those down, thanks to his appointee Alan Greenspan. So...which policies worked best? Carter or Reagan?3) "rampant inflation" : Ha, ha, ha...this one is soooo wrong it&#39;s unbelievable, but I know libs are long on talk and short on facts. Inflation was through the ceiling under Carter as I mentioned earlier...please&#33; Read a history book and get back to me. 4) "Said nothing against apartheid" : That may be true. I don&#39;t know so I&#39;ll give you that one. RR had a pretty full plate what with fixing the economy and destroying communism.
Good night and God bless Nancy Reagan and Laura & George Bush.

Ah, a Limbaugh fan.

Good man.

Busyman-you attribute a blindness you would know does not exist, were you paying attention.

You have not afforded anyone here, especially me, any opportunity at all to discuss Reagan&#39;s shortcomings, as you have been so busy attacking, under cover of your black "perspective."

As one who has "made it", on his own terms (unless you are a product of affirmative action), you are a sterling example of what Reagan stood for:

Self reliance.

I regard you, more-or-less, as a success story, though I&#39;m sure this doesn&#39;t impress you much.

Your pronouncements, which you no doubt intend to be blunt, hard-hitting, and "painfully" honest, lack any semblance of grace; would that you felt it necessary to construct them with as much care and attention to detail as you do other things.

vid-

You noted, correctly, that:

Reagan to his credit saw an opportunity and took it. He raised patriotism to such a level that he could have been the worst president ever and he would still be loved. America needed to feel good about itself and reagan was very good at saying the right things to achieve that and that&#39;s what the voters saw in the campaign.

The question is, therefore, do you find this "talent" of Reagan&#39;s to be of any value whatsoever?

[chalice]

Originally posted by j2k4+18 June 2004 - 02:11--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (j2k4 @ 18 June 2004 - 02:11)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Rat Faced@17 June 2004 - 18:21

The only reason the USA still exists today, is because the Republicans dont stay in power long enough to destroy the country from within....in my opinion, of course

The only reason the U.K. exists today is Margaret Thatcher having saved it...
























...my opinion, as usual. [/b][/quote]
Some of us have no desire for a United Kingdom.

[j2k4]

Originally posted by chalice+18 June 2004 - 04:15--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (chalice @ 18 June 2004 - 04:15)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by j2k4@18 June 2004 - 02:11
<!--QuoteBegin-Rat Faced

@17 June 2004 - 18:21

The only reason the USA still exists today, is because the Republicans dont stay in power long enough to destroy the country from within....in my opinion, of course

The only reason the U.K. exists today is Margaret Thatcher having saved it...
























...my opinion, as usual.

Some of us have no desire for a United Kingdom. [/b][/quote]
I have gathered as much.

Morning, Chalice.