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    What RF forgets to mention is that when Maggie came to power, the country was already bankrupt. Any government, even a Labour one, would have had to privatise most of the utilities to pay for the massive debts run up by the previous government.

    As for the right to buy scheme, local authorities were perfectly able to use profits from the sales to create more social housing. There was only one rule which stopped them: they had to pay off the outstanding loans used to create the current housing schemes first. Exactly the same reasonable conditions a bank or building society would place on individuals who had taken out loans.

    Some authorities chose not to do so as a political gesture, but instead invested the money. The income from these investments was far less than interest payments on the original loans. Lunacy. If they had paid off the existing loans they could have taken out new loans (probably on better terms) and built more housing.

    Considering that the right to buy scheme has been in operation for about 20 years, you might think that by now the loans would have been repaid anyway. If so, you would be wrong. And despite the change of government 7 years ago almost the same rules are still in place. If the rules were so bad you would think they would have been removed entirely.

    Meanwhile, what's happening in central government? At a time when the economy is booming, our idiot of a chancellor is borrowing money when he should be repaying loans. And his spending plans show no indication of slowing down. If the economy takes a downturn (which it must if the government keeps taking all the money) we will not even be able to service the debts, nevermind have any money to maintain services. But of course that is his plan, because by then the Labour party will be unelectable again, and once again the incoming government will be blamed for all the ills that befall our country.

    Of course, he is borrowing when interest rates are low. Why are they so low? Because he gave up on the idea of actually managing the economy and dumped it in the laps of a few at the Bank of England. And the excessively low interest rates have fooled quite a lot of people that they can afford housing at prices which would have been unthinkable just a few years ago. The excessive rises have happened under THIS government.

    I've asked this before, and got no answer. If Maggie was so unpopular, how come she kept getting voted back in? And with a share of the popular vote far in excess of that achieved by the current government!!!

    Remember, it takes 38% of the popular vote to elect a Labour government, but 44% to elect a Conservative one. Elbridge Gerry would be a proud man if he knew.
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    Very nicely summarized, lynx.

    I always though Mrs. Thatcher tried to teach responsible fiscal habits to those who weren't having it.

    Ere now, I hadn't seen the history of it laid out so succinctly.

    I have copied your post to my archive; it is a model rebutal.

    Well done.
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    I feel I must apologize for clouding the issue with my impertinent mention of Ronin Tynan.

    Sorry.
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    The problem with things like Thatcherism is not the wealth of the country as a whole, it is the division of wealth within the country.

    It is also perfectly plausible to lower the tax burden on businesses and on the wealthy. Simply reduce the spending you make on the welfare state, then you don't need as much coming in.

    I use American model where free health care is, as I understand it a rare thing. We could go the same way and reduce taxation accordingly. I for one don't want that, even if I can afford the insurance I would need.

    Thatcherism was designed for a certain type of person and it probably worked for them, however it had no time for those not within that socio-economic group.

    The reason it lasted for so long was that traditional Conservatives, even those who were losing out by the policies would still vote Conservative. It is because they had to, as they did not want to be seen as wearing a cloth cap and owning a whippet. Their Conservatism was more a badge of aspiration than association.

    It is only when the lunacy went too far that her own people got rid of her. Then they chose a man who ran away from the circus to become an accountant as their new leader.

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    Ah.

    That would be Mr. Major?

    Poor fellow seemed to suffer a thrashing every other day, at least.

    All that stand up, sit down, stand up, sit down, stand up, sit down.....

    What's all that about anyway?

    All your parliamentaries are very poorly mic'ed; I never have been able to make out just what is being said.
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    Although you didn't mention him, keep Brian Mulroney as well. We don't want him back.

    things are quiet until hitler decides he'd like to invade russia
    so, he does
    the russians are like "OMG WTF D00DZ, STOP TKING"
    and the germans are still like "omg ph34r n00bz"
    the russians fall back, all the way to moscow
    and then they all begin h4xing, which brings on the russian winter
    the germans are like "wtf, h4x"
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    Originally posted by j2k4@12 June 2004 - 16:23
    Ah.

    That would be Mr. Major?

    Poor fellow seemed to suffer a thrashing every other day, at least.

    All that stand up, sit down, stand up, sit down, stand up, sit down.....

    What's all that about anyway?

    All your parliamentaries are very poorly mic'ed; I never have been able to make out just what is being said.
    We call that Prime Minister's question time. It's when the Prime Minister gets asked questions, hence the name. I think it used to be twice a week for half an hour, but Mr Blair changed it to once, but for an hour.

    I can usually make out what they are saying, so it may be an accent thing. If you are talking about the ordinary members, I think they are picked up by hanging mics, so it really depends on where they are standing, or on how good the director is in homing in on that particular mic, I suppose.

    Does your leader do the same thing, weekly open questions from the leader of the opposition, leader of the third party and from ordinary members, both Government and non Government, televised for the nation to watch live.

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    Originally posted by j2k4@12 June 2004 - 10:06
    Sounds like Maggie was trying to introduce the theoretical American "smaller government/capitalism" model to your country.

    Much too traumatizing; I could have told her it would never work.

    Even we only manage it in bits and pieces, and then only within the normal ebb-and-flow of American politics.
    Hmmm that was Reagan's platform.
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    Originally posted by J'Pol@12 June 2004 - 10:13

    Does your leader do the same thing, weekly open questions from the leader of the opposition, leader of the third party and from ordinary members, both Government and non Government, televised for the nation to watch live.


    No, no-that would never do.

    We couldn't manage our secrets too easily that way.

    Have you seen any of the 9/11 hearings J'Pol?

    We haven't got any politicians with the discipline to do things your way.
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    Originally posted by j2k4+12 June 2004 - 19:32--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (j2k4 @ 12 June 2004 - 19:32)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-J&#39;Pol@12 June 2004 - 10:13

    Does your leader do the same thing, weekly open questions from the leader of the opposition, leader of the third party and from ordinary members, both Government and non Government, televised for the nation to watch live.


    No, no-that would never do.

    We couldn&#39;t manage our secrets too easily that way.

    Have you seen any of the 9/11 hearings J&#39;Pol?

    We haven&#39;t got any politicians with the discipline to do things your way. [/b][/quote]
    I wasn&#39;t having a go honestly .... well maybe me tougue was a wee bit in me cheek

    No I haven&#39;t seen any of the hearings. This month I have mostly not been keeping up on what is going on. I have had some worky type homework to do which has been taking up most of my depleted concentration resources.

    My attention span has also

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