Whats So Good W/ Amd Over Intel?

[lynx]

Originally posted by clocker@19 June 2004 - 19:26
That's marvelous, Abu.

What happens when your friend turns his PC on?

ROFPMSL

Now you need to come and wipe it up.

[tesco]

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power@19 June 2004 - 12:54
just a clairfication, my current pc (sig) gets higher scores in all benchies (3dmark 03/01, aquamark, and sisoft benchies) with a athlon 64 3200 with same graphx card and ram. although my friend's pc (the one i compared to) has pc 4000 ram instead of pc3200 (me). he didn't oc though. does that prove my point or not? mines bascially a p4 3.2 and he's an athlon "64" and i beat him.

yes, but that is running 32bit software. If whatever program u used was capable of running 64bit stuff then the athlon 64 would be spitting all over your intel.

edit: Then there is teh price thing again as well, the athlon 64bit 3200+ is 369 canadian dollars, the 3ghz pentium 4 is the same price, im sure the 64bit processor could be equivelent or better than the intel one.

[Chewie]

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power@19 June 2004 - 17:54
just a clairfication, my current pc (sig) gets higher scores in all benchies (3dmark 03/01, aquamark, and sisoft benchies) with a athlon 64 3200 with same graphx card and ram. although my friend's pc (the one i compared to) has pc 4000 ram instead of pc3200 (me). he didn't oc though. does that prove my point or not? mines bascially a p4 3.2 and he's an athlon "64" and i beat him.

No, you've spent too much time tweaking your system while you say your mate's isn't clocked. You could un-clock everything in your box except the CPU and bench again, though.

[haha21]

alright.

[RGX]

Originally posted by Chewie UK+20 June 2004 - 01:21--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Chewie UK @ 20 June 2004 - 01:21)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-abu_has_the_power@19 June 2004 - 17:54
just a clairfication, my current pc (sig) gets higher scores in all benchies (3dmark 03/01, aquamark, and sisoft benchies) with a athlon 64 3200 with same graphx card and ram. although my friend&#39;s pc (the one i compared to) has pc 4000 ram instead of pc3200 (me). he didn&#39;t oc though. does that prove my point or not? mines bascially a p4 3.2 and he&#39;s an athlon "64" and i beat him.

No, you&#39;ve spent too much time tweaking your system while you say your mate&#39;s isn&#39;t clocked. You could un-clock everything in your box except the CPU and bench again, though. [/b][/quote]
Exactly, he came close to you running 32 bit software with NO clocking. Every part of your system is tweaked.

I&#39;d also like to see benchies to prove this please.

[haha21]

Is this okay?

AMD Athlon XP 3000+ (2.17GHz) Barton 333FSB Retail - 219 (CAD)
Abit NF7 nForce 2 Ultra 400 w/Audio, LAN, Dual DDR400 - 89.95 (CAD)

Am I able to O/C athlons without sweat?

[lynx]

You won&#39;t get much OCing out of a XP3000+. It is already near the limit of what can be achieved with 130nm technology.

That&#39;s why people go for the cheaper 2500 or 2600 Bartons and OC them to 2.2GHz or better. It is easily possible to get XP3200 performance from the cheaper chips, and you won&#39;t do much better with an XP3000.

The motherboard is OK for your purposes, get the cheaper chip and spend the difference on higher quality ram.

Edit: get the retail version of the Barton, the stock cooler should be ok for OCing as long as your case ventilation is good.

[haha21]

http://content.guru3d.com/article/review/37/1

good review about it...
yeah pretty much you cant o/c
max is 2.33ghz

im buying
Samsung DDR400(PC3200) 512MB RAM *103.95

i had a bad experince w/ athlon 2000 xp since i checked it with speedfan and what do i see&#33;
127 degrees celcus.


anyways should i get a 2500 - 2800 barton core?
somewhere around there?

[bigdawgfoxx]

Yeah, get the 2500Xp

[lynx]

I&#39;ve got a 2500 running at 2.28GHz, well in excess of XP3200 performance, but it does tend to get a little hot because I&#39;ve had to increase Vcore to 1.75V (or was it 1.775, I can&#39;t remember). Some chips run hotter than others, it&#39;s the luck of the draw.

The 333MHz FSB chips (base frequency 167MHz) seem to go a little funny/unstable at a base freq of about 183 MHz, but start behaving again as you near 200MHz. Thats ok for the 2500 and 2600 chips because their multipliers give a final frequency (at 200MHz base) of 2.2GHz and 2.3GHz respectively. I assume it is because timings are switching from 333MHz FSB to 400MHz FSB at about that point

However, the 2800 chip has a 12.5x multiplier, so the base freq of 200MHz would give you a resultant 2.5GHz, probably way too high. To bring that back down to 2.3GHz you would need a base freq of 184MHz, right in the middle of the unstable area. For that reason, the 2800 is not a good chip for overclocking.

BTW, the rogue temp of 127C you saw in Speedfan is simply an unconnected sensor. You can configure Speedfan to ignore that temp.