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    muchspl2
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    The Bash.org Strike
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    Michael Weagley (michael`@efnet), bash.org moderator
    June 22, 2004
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    Abstract
    The owner of bash.org no longer has the time to update its code, and won't allow anyone else to do so, either. The moderators have stopped modding in an effort to pressure the site owner into improving bash.org.


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    We, the moderators of bash.org, believe that upon arriving at the extraordinary decision to cease our labors, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that we should declare the causes which impel us to this cessation.

    Moderating quotes for bash.org is a tedious and thankless job, but we do it anyway, out of some combination of boredom and a foolhardy yet sincere desire to advance a project we believe in. This idealism is smashed when the owner of bash.org, Ninety (or Guilty), refuses to do his part. When one feels that one is working in service of a hopeless enterprise destined to fail, it becomes impossible to perform one's duties, especially when, as was mentioned before, they entail much tedium.

    Ninety enthusiastically took control of the QDB from its original developer, and did much to promote it after moving it to bash.org. He wrote major overhauls of the original version's code and helped spread word of mouth. Bash.org owes its success to constant adaptation. When some part of the basic system proved faulty, Ninety programmed a solution.

    For the past year, however, he has refused to perform rudimentary maintenance on the code; for this reason, we believe that bash.org will, unfortunately, decline. To prove our case, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.


    He has programmed almost no new code for the site in over a year.

    He has not implemented, for example, a simple messaging system that would allow moderators to contact one another, thus leaving some completely ignorant to news and messages vital to the operation of the site.

    He has also not implemented the ability to edit or repair quotes in the queue, or, for that matter, approved quotes.

    He flatly refuses nearly all requests by trustworthy moderators to write code to improve the site, even after we point out that he would have the power to remove any malicious or unintentionally destructive code, and would have absolute final review.

    He has, to our knowledge, accepted such a request only once. He allowed the moderator Josh to write an RSS feed for the site. It was completed in early April and still has not been included in the site, despite Ninety's explicit approval of the endeavor.

    He refuses to give moderators the ability to remove quotes once they have been approved, regardless of how terrible they are and regardless of whether they were approved by an inexperienced moderator. Implementing such a feature would simply ensure site quality.

    He almost never assents to removing such quotes himself.

    He has not included some moderators on the front page of bash.org, even though many of them are more active than those who are included on the front page.

    He did nothing to prevent against flooding the queue, which has happened on several occasions now, and has still done nothing to prevent against future floods.

    He claims to be writing a second version of the bash.org code, but refuses to let anyone beta-test any part of it or even reveal any of its features; this naturally inclines us to believe that he is merely crafting fictions.

    He refuses to listen to any suggestions about how to reduce the moderators' workload or even implement a rudimentary duplicate quote checker.

    He rarely responds to our contacts with him.



    In sum, Ninety has repeatedly shown that he is uninterested in further improving the site, and refuses to allow others help him improve it. For over a year now, we have begged Ninety to allow us to help him, appealing to our common interest: the continued success of bash.org. These supplications have been met with hostility and scorn. It is very important that we note that we still respect Ninety and appreciate all he has done for bash.org. What we object to is his seeming apathy regarding the site.

    We, the moderators of bash.org, therefore cease our duties until these wrongs are redressed.


    Signed,
    Mike
    Josh
    Chris
    Tim
    Rjx
    Neon
    Snow
    note: omission does not necessarily entail disagreement.
    Special thanks to Thomas Jefferson.
    http://home.earthlink.net/~mweagley/bash_strike.html

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    I hope they sort themselves out, that is my most favorite site on tinternet (aside from here, of course).

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    Maybe they should do that on this forum as well.

    edit: actually, the bash.org ownr could just higher new mods...

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    muchspl2
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    they should, doesn't seem like rookie gives a fuck, and it puts [b][o][t] in a bad spot people asking for stuff he can't do, and he goes out of his way to pm and start a thread in team chat, all for no replie

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    LOL, if the guy really doesn't care, what good did it do them to type that all up?

    He's just gonna sit back and have a chuckle watching everyone complain about the way things are when, if things were really that bad they could all just go elsewhere and start over doing things their way.

    I haven't been to that forum, but I cannot see how this place is so bad someone would compare us to them And if it was, I would just move on if I really felt that way. Our biggest problem is some of the members(although I don't think this is much of a problem at the moment). How they treat people etc.

    Anyway, it was a good laugh reading how they reacted

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    I think Rookie is just cautious. He tried to change stuff as requested when he was new and ended up stuffing up so he's wary of making an changes (even little ones) which may cause big problems. Also giving the mods or other people more powers is also risky. This site has been attacked a few times and RTJ account was apparently used to damage the board. If this happened again to an account with greater powers the would be bigger problems

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