How Do You Check To See Who Is

[Rat Faced]

vidcc, you may be right..

However, that isnt what was being debated.

Clinton is just as guilty of any innocents killed as a result of his actions, that Bush is with his.


Your argument appears to be "But hes not as Guilty"...

He is...

If each "Death" is counted individually (Direct and Indirect) then Bush isnt even the "Most" Guilty, Clinton is. He did, however have twice as long to achieve this distinction.

If you only count US deaths, the Bush is "Most" Guilty... however, as most of these were military, then there is an argument that they shouldnt count at all.

If only "Direct" action is taken into account, then again the honour belongs to Bush.



Tell me though... is it better to Die by a bomb/bullet, or to die due to no Medical Supplies or lack of clean Drinking Water?


They are as bad as each other... the only difference being Clinton made it look like nothing was going on, whereas Bush's actions are thrown in your face all the time.

[vidcc]

Originally posted by vidcc@11 July 2004 - 09:06
i did take bush out of the subject so you already have your answer.

Rat i didn't say he was innocent...i pointed that i took bush out of the subject which means all leaders that go to war are just as guilty

[clocker]

Originally posted by j2k4@11 July 2004 - 08:12


I really hate to bring it up, but, as Clinton holds the singular honor of having ordered our troops into action on more occasions than any other president in the last fifty years, do you think it at all possible he might bear "responsibility" similar to that you wish to lay at Bush's feet?

No you don't, you love to bring it up.

Frequently,you respond to a criticism of Bush with a factoid about Clinton...the relevance escapes me.
Clinton is no longer President, Bush is.

[Rat Faced]

Originally posted by vidcc+11 July 2004 - 16:45--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (vidcc @ 11 July 2004 - 16:45)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-vidcc@11 July 2004 - 09:06
i did take bush out of the subject so you already have your answer.

Rat i didn&#39;t say he was innocent...i pointed that i took bush out of the subject which means all leaders that go to war are just as guilty [/b][/quote]
My Bad...










I&#39;ll get me coat

[j2k4]

Originally posted by clocker+11 July 2004 - 11:49--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (clocker &#064; 11 July 2004 - 11:49)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-j2k4@11 July 2004 - 08:12


I really hate to bring it up, but, as Clinton holds the singular honor of having ordered our troops into action on more occasions than any other president in the last fifty years, do you think it at all possible he might bear "responsibility" similar to that you wish to lay at Bush&#39;s feet?

No you don&#39;t, you love to bring it up.

Frequently,you respond to a criticism of Bush with a factoid about Clinton...the relevance escapes me.
Clinton is no longer President, Bush is.[/b][/quote]

Wrongo.

While I confess to "not hating" to mention Clinton, I will state also that I am incredibly weary of having to do so.

If I am confronted, for example, by a statement that goes something like, "Bush is responsible for our international allies forsaking us, and making the U.S. more hated than at any time in our history" or any other statement that attempts to denigate Bush or his policies by comparison to other times/eras/incidents, the heads of corresponding administrations are most certainly fair play.

I do not make a habit of it normally (surely you must admit this), but I try to make an exception whenever vidcc is in the room.

[vidcc]

Originally posted by j2k4@11 July 2004 - 10:43
I do not make a habit of it normally (surely you must admit this), but I try to make an exception whenever vidcc is in the room.

and there&#39;s me trying to make the point and making excluding Bush...guess i can&#39;t win.

By the way, using the fact that someone else does something isn&#39;t an excuse....2 wrongs don&#39;t make a right

[j2k4]

Originally posted by vidcc+11 July 2004 - 14:36--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (vidcc &#064; 11 July 2004 - 14:36)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-j2k4@11 July 2004 - 10:43
I do not make a habit of it normally (surely you must admit this), but I try to make an exception whenever vidcc is in the room.

and there&#39;s me trying to make the point and making excluding Bush...guess i can&#39;t win.

By the way, using the fact that someone else does something isn&#39;t an excuse....2 wrongs don&#39;t make a right[/b][/quote]
Great.

Not even I, the All-Powerful, All-knowing j2k4, know what we&#39;re talking about now.

[vidcc]

Originally posted by j2k4+11 July 2004 - 12:52--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (j2k4 @ 11 July 2004 - 12:52)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by vidcc@11 July 2004 - 14:36
<!--QuoteBegin-j2k4

@11 July 2004 - 10:43
I do not make a habit of it normally (surely you must admit this), but I try to make an exception whenever vidcc is in the room.

and there&#39;s me trying to make the point and making excluding Bush...guess i can&#39;t win.

By the way, using the fact that someone else does something isn&#39;t an excuse....2 wrongs don&#39;t make a right

Great.

Not even I, the All-Powerful, All-knowing j2k4, know what we&#39;re talking about now. [/b][/quote]
sorry i&#39;ll use smaller words if i can

I was saying i was trying to make a point about responsibility and made an effort to make it in a way that didn&#39;t point to Bush as the example....

[j2k4]

Originally posted by vidcc+11 July 2004 - 15:01--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (vidcc @ 11 July 2004 - 15:01)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by j2k4@11 July 2004 - 12:52

Originally posted by vidcc@11 July 2004 - 14:36
<!--QuoteBegin-j2k4

@11 July 2004 - 10:43
I do not make a habit of it normally (surely you must admit this), but I try to make an exception whenever vidcc is in the room.

and there&#39;s me trying to make the point and making excluding Bush...guess i can&#39;t win.

By the way, using the fact that someone else does something isn&#39;t an excuse....2 wrongs don&#39;t make a right

Great.

Not even I, the All-Powerful, All-knowing j2k4, know what we&#39;re talking about now.

sorry i&#39;ll use smaller words if i can

I was saying i was trying to make a point about responsibility and made an effort to make it in a way that didn&#39;t point to Bush as the example.... [/b][/quote]
...And I was merely pointing out Rip&#39;s faux pas.

Then what?

[j2k4]

Originally posted by vidcc+10 July 2004 - 20:39--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (vidcc @ 10 July 2004 - 20:39)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-BigBank_Hank@10 July 2004 - 18:15
I’m probably going to regret this but I have to ask. Why does a 17 year old dislike Bush? Not that age has anything to do with it but young people usually don’t care too much about politics.&nbsp;

probably for the same reasons anyone else dislikes Bush. [/b][/quote]
Maybe this doesn&#39;t qualify as anti-Bush in your book?

It appeared before Rip&#39;s post, or mine, for that matter.