Dems Refuse To Release Tape Of Hatefest

[Alex H]

Yes, j2 I'm sure there would have been other people qualified to give evidence on rural hardships - perhaps an acedemic specialising in the socio-economic environment in rural areas of the United States. However such a person would not have the profile to actually achieve any interest in the subject, which is why celebrities are brought in to state a particular case.

How many instances (not mentioning Iraq here at all can you think of where an administration (not the Bush Administration at all ignores the considered opinions of the people concerned, or the experts who study the situation, and made a decision that turnes out to be painful for everyone involved?

Celebrities bring a public profile to the issue so that there is actually a chance of getting a point across - and as celebrities tend to listen to their audience more than politicians seem to listen to their electorates, who can blame an actor for giving their opinion on an issue which they feel is important?

[SuperJude™]

Originally posted by Alex H@15 July 2004 - 04:37
Yes, j2 I'm sure there would have been other people qualified to give evidence on rural hardships - perhaps an acedemic specialising in the socio-economic environment in rural areas of the United States. However such a person would not have the profile to actually achieve any interest in the subject, which is why celebrities are brought in to state a particular case.

How many instances (not mentioning Iraq here at all can you think of where an administration (not the Bush Administration at all ignores the considered opinions of the people concerned, or the experts who study the situation, and made a decision that turnes out to be painful for everyone involved?

Celebrities bring a public profile to the issue so that there is actually a chance of getting a point across - and as celebrities tend to listen to their audience more than politicians seem to listen to their electorates, who can blame an actor for giving their opinion on an issue which they feel is important?

I would have to retort simply that in November 2000 that type of thinking may be why Gore lost, too much reliance on the entertainment industry or something. You know, it sure seems that a whole bunch of people in America up and voted for Bush in 2000 seemingly out of the blue when in fact they were there the whole time, a factor to not be ignored.
Though of course Bush's and the Republican message at that time what in no way the same as it is 4 years later.

-SJ™

[Rat Faced]

See, if you're seeking proper patronage, you have people like Magic Johnson, who actually has HIV, or Michael J. Fox, who has Parkinson's disease, Rat.

Or Sissy Spacek who grew up on a farm?

If the hearings were about Parkinsons Disease, I have no doubt that Michael J Fox might have spoken.

Just because your regular "Employment" is not conserned with a subject, does not mean you know nothing about it or have no interest in it.

An Actors Job is to stand in front of people and speak, when its boiled down.. A Farmers isnt, he may know more about the subject, and still have made less of an impact.

This is one of the reasons Patrons are sought for Charities... they speak out better on behalf of the organisations than the people actually doing the work behind the scenes. They have a lot more confidence and raise a lot more interest than would an average farmer.

This does not mean there is anything wrong with the Farmer, just that his skills probably lie in other areas; such as Farming.

[lynx]

Originally posted by Rat Faced@15 July 2004 - 16:06
This does not mean there is anything wrong with the Farmer, just that his skills probably lie in other areas; such as Farming.

This also applies to GW. His skills probably lie in other areas, such as... give me a minute here.


Ok, come on guys, give me a clue.


All right, I'll get back to you on that one. Maybe.




Edit: typo.

[Busyman]

Originally posted by lynx+15 July 2004 - 12:25--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (lynx @ 15 July 2004 - 12:25)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Rat Faced@15 July 2004 - 16:06
This does not mean there is anything wrong with the Farmer, just that his skills probably lie in other areas; such as Farming.

This also applies to GW. His skills probably lie in other areas, such as... give me a minute here.


Ok, come on guys, give me a clue.


All right, I&#39;ll get back to you on that one. Maybe.




Edit: typo. [/b][/quote]
I don&#39;t appreciate the sarcasm lynx.

GW does many things well.

I bet he could drink you under the table and can make a dime bag last a whole 5 minutes.

[j2k4]

Well, you all can worship your actors if you like.

Alex-

Michael J. Fox has testified in support of Parkinson&#39;s research.

Also, I could get behind your idea of raising the public profile of such problems if the hearings in question were held at the instigation of the actors; such was not the case.

I think SJ has a good point-a while back, some of us here kicked around the definition of the "Silent Majority"; many of you didn&#39;t seem to think it any other than a concoction of the Religious Right.

Well, it does exist, and not for nothing is it called a "Majority".

I wonder if Barbra Streisand, Alec Baldwin, et.al., will "...leave the country..." again, when Bush wins?

Clocker-

I didn&#39;t call for the release of any tape; it just seems to me that, as there is ample evidence that someone whipped real production value on the event, it was intended (by somebody) that the fund-raiser be shown to other audiences subsequent to it actually occurring.

Pity that it would probably only be distributed after being "bowdlerized" so as to exclude that which ought not be seen.

BTW-

Any opinions on the Whoopster&#39;s firing as the Slim-Fast spokesperson?

[Busyman]

Originally posted by j2k4@15 July 2004 - 16:54
Well, you all can worship your actors if you like.

Alex-

Michael J. Fox has testified in support of Parkinson&#39;s research.

Also, I could get behind your idea of raising the public profile of such problems if the hearings in question were held at the instigation of the actors; such was not the case.

I think SJ has a good point-a while back, some of us here kicked around the definition of the "Silent Majority"; many of you didn&#39;t seem to think it any other than a concoction of the Religious Right.

Well, it does exist, and not for nothing is it called a "Majority".

I wonder if Barbra Streisand, Alec Baldwin, et.al., will "...leave the country..." again, when Bush wins?

Clocker-

I didn&#39;t call for the release of any tape; it just seems to me that, as there is ample evidence that someone whipped real production value on the event, it was intended (by somebody) that the fund-raiser be shown to other audiences subsequent to it actually occurring.

Pity that it would probably only be distributed after being "bowdlerized" so as to exclude that which ought not be seen.

BTW-

Any opinions on the Whoopster&#39;s firing as the Slim-Fast spokesperson?

I think it was an obvious move by Unilever.

Slim-Fast isn&#39;t just a liberal drink.

They also should have known that Whoopi is Whoopi......

.....a comedienne.

[lynx]

This also applies to GW. His skills probably lie in other areas, such as... give me a minute here.


Ok, come on guys, give me a clue.


All right, I&#39;ll get back to you on that one. Maybe.

That wasn&#39;t intended to be sarcasm, it was mimicry.

[vidcc]

Originally posted by j2k4@15 July 2004 - 13:54
BTW-

Any opinions on the Whoopster&#39;s firing as the Slim-Fast spokesperson?

Back again.

I haven&#39;t heard what whoopi said just a short item on the news. Apparently she was dropped after "pressure from conservative groups suggesting they would boycott the products unless she was dropped".
Now the way i see it from the part i know.

1. Ms. Goldberg is a comediene and has made jokes about ALL our presidents that were sitting in office during her career.

2. I feel that the particular reason for the pressure from the coservative groups is anti free speech and discriminatory.

3. For goodness sake grow up.. it was a Democrat fundraiser, what did one expect? all the participants to stand up and say what a good job they think Bush is doing ?

Had Ms. goldberg done a similar thing at a republican fund raiser and a "liberal" group had tried to get her dropped i would be giving the same reaction.

I buy products because i like the product, not because of who is used in an advert.

Now i don&#39;t think there was a need for the way some of the "celebrities" talked, (from the reports i have heard) for me a more articulate and calmer approach would have been better, but then i have never been impressed by character assaination.

On a side note as we are dealing with "hatefests"..... is it my imagination or do all the Bush campaign adverts show more of kerry than the Kerry adverts do?
Could someone please explain how a character assaination advert lets one know what Bush will do for us should we vote for him?

By the way, i have no need for slimfast as i am not overweight and if i was i would moderate the amount i eat and take more excercise to lose the weight, not spend thousands on "diet products"

[clocker]

Originally posted by vidcc@15 July 2004 - 16:28


On a side note as we are dealing with "hatefests"..... is it my imagination or do all the Bush campaign adverts show more of kerry than the Kerry adverts do?
Could someone please explain how a character assaination advert lets one know what Bush will do for us should we vote for him?

It is not your imagination.
The Republicans appear to be running an exclusively negative campaign this go-round.
So much for the moral high ground.