The Thirteenth Vote

[Tikibonbon]

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[manker]

Originally posted by CornerPocket+13 July 2004 - 16:38--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (CornerPocket @ 13 July 2004 - 16:38)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by manker @13 July 2004 - 09:14
I noticed quite a few mods are online yet the only reponse has been from you, Ike&#39;s message and a few flippant, throw away remarks from Error.

Best answered by lynx:
<!--QuoteBegin-lynx@13 July 2004 - 10:14

You&#39;re damned if you do and you&#39;re damned if you don&#39;t.

It seems that despite whatever actions are taking, there will always be some controversy about it. Why are all mods not replying here, well the answer is simple and is stated/quoted many times over. It&#39;s the same old tune that gets sung when action is taken. I think that if you are mature enough to post/do wrong, then you should be mature enough to handle the action taken.

This is a neverending saga...................... [/b][/quote]
No actually. This is not a never-ending saga, it&#39;s protractedness is brought about by what I see as the mod team&#39;s refusal to listen to the POV of some members.

Also there is not controversy with whatever actions are taken. There&#39;s been numerous bannings/moderations this past month without a single post in this section. In this case some members consider the mod team to be in error and are legitamately making their feelings known.

[DanB]

Manker can say everything I am thinking but ten times better

[jetje]

Originally posted by manker+13 July 2004 - 18:56--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (manker &#064; 13 July 2004 - 18:56)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by CornerPocket@13 July 2004 - 16:38

Originally posted by manker @13 July 2004 - 09:14
I noticed quite a few mods are online yet the only reponse has been from you, Ike&#39;s message and a few flippant, throw away remarks from Error.

Best answered by lynx:
<!--QuoteBegin-lynx

@13 July 2004 - 10:14

You&#39;re damned if you do and you&#39;re damned if you don&#39;t.

It seems that despite whatever actions are taking, there will always be some controversy about it. Why are all mods not replying here, well the answer is simple and is stated/quoted many times over. It&#39;s the same old tune that gets sung when action is taken. I think that if you are mature enough to post/do wrong, then you should be mature enough to handle the action taken.

This is a neverending saga......................

No actually. This is not a never-ending saga, it&#39;s protractedness is brought about by what I see as the mod team&#39;s refusal to listen to the POV of some members.

Also there is not controversy with whatever actions are taken. There&#39;s been numerous bannings/moderations this past month without a single post in this section. In this case some members consider the mod team to be in error and are legitamately making their feelings known. [/b][/quote]
you know what.....
your post is total bullshit :

CP is right, this is a never ending story. There is always someone who disagrees the teams decission. And then there is always a wank....eh someone that post this kind of crap.

The decission, how sad it is, was a fair one. Sam4x got a fair chance. And with that he already got more then he probably deserved. It where his actions that forced us to step in, not the other way around. He already got more chances then anyone else. Too bad it went this way.


oh and about listening to the members, well to be honest...
Maybe we got a shitload of pm&#39;s in favor of banning sam4, because of his misbehaviour.

[manker]

Originally posted by jetje@13 July 2004 - 17:15
you know what.....
your post is total bullshit :

CP is right, this is a never ending story. There is always someone who disagrees the teams decission. And then there is always a wank....eh someone that post this kind of crap.

The decission, how sad it is, was a fair one. Sam4x got a fair chance. And with that he already got more then he probably deserved. It where his actions that forced us to step in, not the other way around. He already got more chances then anyone else. Too bad it went this way.


oh and about listening to the members, well to be honest...
Maybe we got a shitload of pm&#39;s in favor of banning sam4, because of his misbehaviour.

OK. Thats clear enough. I&#39;ll mark you down as disagreeing with those that think the mod team should consider listening to member opinion on the treatment of Sam.

No need for the abuse, but I was impressed by your smiley usage.

[Cheese]

Originally posted by pol@13 July 2004 - 14:59
i&#39;ve no problem &#39;stepping down&#39; or &#39;resigning&#39; either, if it&#39;s what most people want then it&#39;s for the best. perhaps a poll for that would be better

Not at all. Like other people have said, you have taken the time to answer people&#39;s questions. We may not agree on this issue but that has no bearing on my (our) feelings that you are doing a good job.

Besides we can&#39;t have any more good team members resign.

[lynx]

Well, I&#39;ve got to say it.

Jetje, since you became a mod your attitude towards other board members stinks.

Quite frankly, if you can&#39;t behave better than that you should be on moderation.

It&#39;ll never happen though, will it.

[CornerPocket]

Originally posted by manker@13 July 2004 - 10:56
No actually. This is not a never-ending saga, it&#39;s protractedness is brought about by what I see as the mod team&#39;s refusal to listen to the POV of some members.

Oh contrar, it is and always will be neverending..... regardless.

Mods refuse to listen to members? Mods are not here to act upon what members decide, we are here to act upon the action of members who fail to comply. In retrospect of your comment, you complain that we do not listen, why do members not listen to us?

Surely in any case actual evidence warrants actions and would overrule pov&#39;s, wouldn&#39;t you say. It&#39;s plain to see why action took place against the most recent member. It was plain as day amongst the board for all to see, witness, read, etc.

Again it doesn&#39;t seem to matter to the members whether or not something is done by us. Either way the Mod&#39;s are ridiculed from both sides of the field. That&#39;s a fact.

[hobbes]

Originally posted by CornerPocket@13 July 2004 - 16:47
It&#39;s plain to see why action took place against the most recent member. It was plain as day amongst the board for all to see, witness, read, etc.

To be honest, I am in the dark as to why Sam4 was banned. So many threads and posts and padlocks that I was never able to get the definitive story.

People have stated it was a conflict with Adster, but I read that thread and it was just trivial sparing, both were at fault, no big deal.

Then again, by the time I got there, Mods could have deleted the "bad stuff".

I would like a nice concise explanation so I can make an informed decision.

Forever is a mighty long time. I think banning is for people who are attempting to hurt the board and it&#39;s members (hypoluxa) or who are as crazy as a shit house rat and cannot stop spamming, hi-jacking and creating 20 accounts (IN).

I saw Sam4 as making an ass of himself as his biggest crime, never thought of him as out to hurt the board.

As I say, I don&#39;t know the facts, but would like to.

[manker]

Originally posted by CornerPocket+13 July 2004 - 18:47--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (CornerPocket @ 13 July 2004 - 18:47)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-manker@13 July 2004 - 10:56
No actually. This is not a never-ending saga, it&#39;s protractedness is brought about by what I see as the mod team&#39;s refusal to listen to the POV of some members.

Oh contrar, it is and always will be neverending..... regardless.

Mods refuse to listen to members? Mods are not here to act upon what members decide, we are here to act upon the action of members who fail to comply. In retrospect of your comment, you complain that we do not listen, why do members not listen to us?

Surely in any case actual evidence warrants actions and would overrule pov&#39;s, wouldn&#39;t you say. It&#39;s plain to see why action took place against the most recent member. It was plain as day amongst the board for all to see, witness, read, etc.

Again it doesn&#39;t seem to matter to the members whether or not something is done by us. Either way the Mod&#39;s are ridiculed from both sides of the field. That&#39;s a fact. [/b][/quote]
Au contraire, I meant that this situation isn&#39;t never ending, rather than a general disharmony between the mods and members.

Mods should listen to the members, it is beyond question. Who are you listening to if not the members?

I have already posted that according to the letter of the rules the mods have acted properly and that Sam did break the rules, again, what some members of the board are asking for is some leniency in this matter. To listen to what the majority of members have to say.

This is a different situation, normally the members agree with the mods and are not sad to see a member banned or moderated. This time some members believe the mods are in error. I&#39;m repeating myself but in the end perhaps my point isn&#39;t specifically about the Sam situation but more about the mod team seeking out, listening to and acting on what members have to say about certain situations.

Lastly the mods get ridiculed from both sides of what field? you mean the members and the admin ridicule the mods. I&#39;m at a loss with that comment.