Proposal For Bittorent Torrent Section

[rookiecrd1]

If I did make a new forum I would place a gigantic banner for FST at the top and it would only be for torrent discussion. Everything else would belong at FST, which would be said.

I have heard so many different things. I don't want to jeopardize FST's future by allowing torrents here unless i am certain it won't hurt FST.

Brian

[MicroScreen2]

sorry for my outburst before. at least you're honest

you could have a seperate tracker up in the bar with "help" and "search" and them,
then it would seem like part of this site. a bit like demonod 'cept the forum is the main bit. then the seperate page could use similar scripts to what most tracker sites use currently, so we could upload our own torrents and stuff

[ilw]

I can't imagine having torrents is any worse than having verified kazaa and emule links (they are after all the same thing). But running the tracker on the same server might make the situation a little worse, if you host the tracker elsewhere i say go for it.

If you really want to increase safety you could request people to only upload rarer files eg ebooks, older/non-mainstream music/ films; and perhaps in addition discourage warez altogether?

[MicroScreen2]

how about 1337 filenames. they worked 10 years ago

M4TR0X.R3L0D3D.OMG.t0rrent

or no incriminating filename at all. someone posts a request for the matrix:reloaded.

then someone sends a pm linking to 13658.t0rrent

that way we could share among trusted people and the only way the man could find ot whats illegal would be to dl everything. but this could be very slow, due to the nature of BT.


one last idea. admin could act like incompetent morons. and turn i blind eye . and not realise about illegal torrents till the cease an desist order comes. i couldn't imagine they could shut us down without prior warning, but i wouldnt know how that would work

[MicroScreen2]

or the ultimate in guerilla leetness


PZJNR-YSWWR-TPXFT-VYOWD-FCQYN-KHSTT-GACVY-RMYKY-FVUXF-UJ


http://www.desertratsgame.com/enigma.php?c=11116


edit: should work now

[Canti]

Im all for it, although I did look up some legal issues on Google and this is what I came up with.

In summary it looks as though if you host a tracker you're a target, but if you link to one you're probably ok unless you are also hosting it. So you either try to run one separately from the site, preferably with a different host and completely remove FST from any affiliation with it, so if it gets hit, you can cut it loose and try again later without putting FST at any undue risk.

So basically what you end up with is a link to a file's download page on the actual tracker.

Monduna.com

[LEGAL-5] Q: What files/sites are being targeted?

    Sites that host trackers are the primary targets for legal action. If a tracker host is taken down, then all torrents that use that site to connect to other users will no longer be able to function.

Big Soccer

pc4th
Thinking out loud - are there copyright issues involved for BigSoccer if the site appears to openly encourage the downloading of matches that somebody paid millions for the right to broadcast? A few fans writing about illegal Korean feeds or bit torrents is one thing, but setting up a clearinghouse for such stuff might make the site a target.

as long as BigSoccer is not hosting the link, there is no copyright issues. Sites like Suprnova might be illegal but I don't know. They haven't been shut down yet so I guess it's legal.

All bigsoccer is doing is providing a message board for people to talk. It's like a blog. Last time I check, it's not illegal to provide links to other websites. That's all the bittorrent links are for. PROVIDING LINKS TO ANOTHER WEBSITE.

[Broken]

I'd have to say, at the very best (or perhapes negative) a torrent file might be considered on the same level as posting a cold link to a site that may contain illegal files. And that would depend upon the users right to the files/work/program/pics. As long as a user owns the right to (i.e. owning a copy of) whatever they are uploading or downloading it would fall into the "Gray" legal catagory of Fair Use. Which has differnt legal definitions depending upon how the law is read... hence, it is gray. Not really legal, and not really illegal.


The Administrator must also relize, that if it is his intention to create a cash flow from this new site through the use of ads, it will not happen. The people that come to torrent sites have no intention of buying anything. If anything, the ads may generate a demand for whatever is being advertised. And in that situation, it will only be a matter of time before whatever it was has a torrent posted for it. An example of this comes form another torrent site that has given up on ads, in favor of becoming totally user supported. They had 100k views, 10 clicks, and zero purchases for thier sponcer. Within 3 days of the ad being posted on the site, a torrent for the software appeared.

User support of these sites can be very fierce. I believe it was in Feb. that one of the larger torrent sites, Empornium.us, was going to shut down due to lack of funding. A post was made by the administator of the site's situation, and it's probably shut down. Within the matter of a week members donated some $5,000 to secure hosting for an indefinate amount of time, and the purchase of a new server. From what I understand, donations to this site are still pouring in. In fact, the typical banner that many torrents sites have that track the amount of money donated by it's users have been removed because money is no longer a issue in the operation of the site. Also, on top of donations, they implemented a fine system for anyone that fails to keep a 1 for 1 share ratio. This bring a steady stream of income in for the site.

A seprate site really does not, even if it is successful, guarantee any new traffic to this one.

[beeman]

well about the funding part suprnova for example is funded SOLEY through advertising. there has not been one donation drive for suprnova scince febuary (and it looks like things will stay that way). and suprnova needs A LOT of money so advertising can bring lots of money to torrent sites if its well done.

for example suprnova currently controles 9 servers i beleave. 2 for its forums. 3 for its irc server 1 for its search engine. 1 for its main site redirector and torrent hosting and 2 for its mirrors. (along with a few donated mirrors). ALL paid for via advertising

[rookiecrd1]

I wouldn't have the smallest clue on how to set up a tracker.

Also, is it possible to have torrents posted here without a tracker, or is a tracker needed.

Sorry but I am a bit ignorant when it comes to these things.

Brian

[MicroScreen2]

i think a tracker is what everyone's BT client connects to, to ask for directions so to speak. you could have a tracker that has no links with this forum and post torrents on here cos they work like hyper links