Liberals Fuck You If You Don't Vote Conservative

[Alex H]

Bone - First the "fuck off and die" comment was not aimed at you. I was showing my disgust at the idea of an out-of-the-closet paedophile. We'll leave the comments about my avatar alone as well, because you probably thought I was flaming you and you fired back.

Second, I'll forget about the proof reading because you have so many typos in your posts that I would need a few hours to correct them all. I hope this is due to poor typing skills because I would hate to think that such a passionate individual wasn't able to spell correctly. You are obviously intelligent and argue well - you're just wrong.

Regarding Bill Clinton's sex life - Ok if you think it is a question of national security, such as Clinton talking to his mistress, are there not big government organizations like the FBI or CIA that could investigate these things discreetly? If Bill did tell her state secrets, there is nothing you can do about it, so why do you want to know anyway? There is also a small chance that he was just looking for some poontang and was not looking for a confidant at all. Affairs are a means of escape, and you don't want to bring your work with you.

Re: the United Nations. After World War II everybody sat down and decided that it was easier, cheaper and ultimatly less painful if countries talked out their problems in open discussion. The whole thing was designed to avoid messes like Iraq, and perhaps if the US was a bit more receptive to other points of veiw, you guys wouldn't look like idiots to the rest of the world right now.

Re: your rebuttal to SpamhandEl:

1:Homosexuality is wrong. God said it, not me. Go argue with him about it.

I did. He says you're supposed to love your fellow man, but he realizes that some people have intimacy issues.

2:Saddam was never a good guy.

Agreed, but how long did it take to work that one out? Perhps a bit of talk along the lines of "we don't think murdering thousands of people is a great thing to do" would have been in order.

3:Trade with Cuba, China, and all communist nations is wrong.

A basic knowledge of the nature of commerce would give you a different opinion. Trade is good for everybody. Just becasue other countries have a different system of government than you do doesn't make them unworthy to trading with. China for instance is a pretty f*cking big country and it may be conceivable that "Billy" was trying to open up a big market so that your fellow countrymen and women have more jobs available. China has worked out that closed trading doesn't work, perhaps people in the US should consider that notion too.

4:We should dump the United Nations idiots.

Hasn't the US done that already? Why should the rest of the world pick up the tab for your mess in Iraq after the way the US has treated them?

Abortion is the legal 'right' to murder children. Life is a gift from God.

Whooha! Religious argument ahead! Actually lets forget about the idea that not everyone has the same beliefs you do and look at he fact that there are too many people on this planet. If someone can't afford to or doesn't want a child in the first place, I am not going to be one to force it apon them. You will do more damage bringng an unwanted child into this world than aborting a "human being" that has never even breathed this world's air. If you want to quit your job and run an orphanage for the unwanted and unloved kids of this world, go ahead and good luck to you, but don't expect people to commit themselves to caring for a child they never really wanted.

I look forward to more responses to SpamhandEl's post.

Kerry may look as bad as Bush, but we all know how bad Bush is, cause the world has been stuck with him for four years. Perhaps Kerry will be a pleasant surprise and be slightly less crap thanyou think. I agree that governments nowadays don't represent the people, which is why we've all escaped to the internet!

[longboneslinger]

Bone - First the "fuck off and die" comment was not aimed at you. I was showing my disgust at the idea of an out-of-the-closet paedophile. We'll leave the comments about my avatar alone as well, because you probably thought I was flaming you and you fired back.

You are correct. My bad and my appologies. Knee-jerk reaction. I'll also hope you weren't referring to me as a pedopile since I am not.

Second, I'll forget about the proof reading because you have so many typos in your posts that I would need a few hours to correct them all. I hope this is due to poor typing skills because I would hate to think that such a passionate individual wasn't able to spell correctly. You are obviously intelligent and argue well - you're just wrong.

Yeah, my typing skills are a little rusty plus I work long hours so I'm tired. It also makes me irratable. Sorry again.
[/QUOTE]Regarding Bill Clinton's sex life -

I think that the leader of a nation should be held to a higher standard. If he has no more self control than that he isn't fit to lead.As I said, if he'd just admited it, the Reps couldn't have touched him. And yes, to stop another rant, it was 90% political.

Re: the United Nations.[QUOTE]
It started that way, yes, but if the UN had enforced their sanctions we wouldn't be there now. Saddam agreed to a cease fire on the terms that he would allow free access for UN indpectors-never happened. He also agreed to the no-fly zones that he regularly shot at aircraft in. That we (everyone involved) shot back is the only rational response. There were 17 violations over 12 years-12 years- that were termed 'Major violations' by the UN. What did they do? Nothing. Technically, I didn't agree with the war, but they failed to consult me.

As for homosexuality, what does ' intimacy issues' have to do with it? A sin is a sin.

I agree with the Saddam comment. Good point.

On abortion, it has nothing at all to do with religion. It has to do with love of human life and taking responsibility for ones actions. Whether a child has taken a breath or not is, to me, totally irrelevant.. That child is a living human being. It is the responsiblilty of the parents (both of them) to give it life. Don't want a child? Consider adoption. Plenty of responsible adults who want kids. Or consider birth control or just keep you legs closed. Just please spare me the 'I don't want it!" tripe. It's a human being, not a bagle. You dont toss people into the trash because you're to childish to take the responsible way out.

On Communism, this type of government is a horror show. Look at China. Human rights violations by the thousands. As for trade, screw'em. They sell to us but buy damn little. That's where the term 'multi-billion dollar trade deficit' comes from. I'm all for equal trade, just not with slave mongers and mass murderers. I actually have self respect.

Last but not least (I got out of sync with abortion, ooops), the UN. Screw'em. They stood around for 12 long years and did nothing. Why? Maybe because fellow members like France were making to much money. Maybe they liked wathing Saddam and those 2 monsters he called sons run rampant. Who knows? Who cares? The UN has turned into a farce. Time to start over. The US government has turned into a farce. We need to start over. As for Iraq, we're trying to rebuild and restore it to what it should be. The terrorists are the ones still blowing it up. I really believe that the people of Iraq want and deserve a new nation. If the nut balls would leave, they could have it. It's up to them. Knowing human nature, it'll probably revert to a regime as bad if not worse than Saddam but hope springs eternal.

John Kerry (no, the j in john Kerry is not a typo, my keyboard won't capitlaize the letter j ) shot himself in the foot when he said "If I were President, I woud fight a more sensitive war" WTF?? What kind of idiotic BS is that?? He bends the truth like a pretzel and flip flops on the issues and now this? Sorry. The mans an idiot. Sensitive war. Shit. They blow up buildings and he want to be 'sensitive'. Fine, kill'em quick. I that 'sensitive' enough?


Sorry again about the flames. I'm man enough to admit when I'm wrong. Hell, I'm only human. Who wants perfection? The last (and only) perfect man was crucified by the Romans. I wouldn't have taken it nearly as well.

At any rate, I'm outa here. Thanks for the debate.
Later,
BoNe

[longboneslinger]

Sorry, one more. Sorry to busyman.

Are you for the death penalty?

Hmm...that's a hard one. God says "Thou shalt not kill." I think, if I remember correctly, that it actually translates as "Thou shalt not murder.' I could be wrong here.
So, should we kill a killer? Would that not be murder? Can't be self defense. He/she is locked in a cage. But he/she could get out on parole or serve their term and do it again. Could. Now if he/she is a proven terrorist, is it a diff story? Nah,one or a million. Murder is murder. Dead is dead. So no, can't support it. I'll leave it up to God. He'll sort'em out.

Hell, I was having so much fun with clocker, spam and alex and here you come and blindside me. Thx, I enjoyed the change of topic.

Later,
BoNe

PS-If it comes down to me and you, ducking would be in order cuz where you go lead will follow. Self defense is a totaly different issue. Nothing personall and not a threat to you, busyman, just generalizing.

[SpamhandEl]

1:Homosexuality is wrong. God said it, not me. Go argue with him about it. Maybe he'll change the Word for you. I doubt it, but it's up to Him. Just listen as you talk to Him. You might get an answer.

Go back to your safe little "church", some of us live in a real world and answer to a real God. Not to church dogma written in the middle ages.

And "Yes" I said the middle ages, nothing in older scriptures makes any reference homosexuality, and older Christian text (believe it or not) teaches us to hold compassion and love for our fellow humans, and not to judge them. That is Gods job alone.

Before you bring it up (Sodom) I'll explain further. The act of sodomy, (Before puritanical church leaders redefined it) Addresses any act of sex that is done outside of the love of God.
Not anything your homophobic father finds icky.

And who is to determine what is outside of the love of God? Not you my friend.

I did notice that you use the argument of God and God's

That is between two consenting adults and God. They (Believe it or not) Have there own souls and there own relationship with god. That (And I'm sorry to have to tell you this) has nothing to do with you.



[/QUOTE] 2:Saddam was never a good guy. Reagen was wrong.

No Argument here we do agree.

3:Trade with Cuba, China, and all communist nations is wrong. But Billy Bob Clinton gave Red China Most Favored Nation Trading Status. That's ok, though, he's a Dem.

China was given MFNT in an attempt to stabilize the region and attempt to Un-alienate a country with Nuclear weapons and the brute manpower to kick our Asses without them.

Also I disagree with trade embargos against communist nations, The Soviet Union would never have fallen with out Glasnost.

And I know Regan had a hand in that, I do believe he was a great and wise man, with everything but the economy.

4:We should dump the United Nations idiots. But if they wanna help in Iraq, fine. The more the merrier. It's a totally FUBAR now, so let the clowns in the blue hats come in, hell the terrorists need some new targets anyway.so let the clowns in the blue hats come in, hell the terrorists need some new targets anyway.

????????????
Do you have any clue what the U.N. is for? Being a republican, And following dubba-u's lead I understand the confusion.

I'll explain.

The U.N was established to PREVENT countries from throwing their weight around. Remember how bad that got in the last century.

i.e. imposing our will on others and ignoring U.N. Protocol is the very reason that most of the world thinks this country is full of arrogant self important culture-centric red necks.

Some of us dislike this stereotype.

And

so let the clowns in the blue hats come in, hell the terrorists need some new targets anyway.

1. people fighting and invading force are not called terrorist, even if we are the invading force.

2.The only life that matters is people who look and believe like you?? is that what I'm to understanding here? Just trying to understand who I'm talking to.

5:Women, etc., I believe refers to abortion. Sorry, I am a former fetus who chooses life. Abortion is the legal 'right' to murder children. Life is a gift from God. His to give, His to take. Refer to 1 for arguments. It aint in the Bible, but then again, it wasn't a problem then.[QUOTE]


I've been waiting this whole response for this one.

Learn to read and understand the Christian bible yourself. The ONLY thing in your bible that comes close to offering a Christian answer is
(GEN 2 7) And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Before he breathed, he was not a living soul.

And until you are a duck you have no right to make laws for ducks.

As well, until you have an uterus you have no right to make laws about uteruses.

Old white rich men making MORAL decisions for the rest of the country is offensive.
There at one time was intended to be a separation of church and state.

And in Closing......

Morality is the domain of the church. Not the government in a "Free" society; that we so like to assure ourselves we are.

After all isn't that what gives us the right to bully all other nations?? Were the good guys fighting for freedom.

And "Freedom" does not mean freedom to believe like you, or even me. But Freedom to find our own beliefs with out the government interfering.

And by that token I bare you no ill will for your beliefs or your right to speak them.

But it does not give you (or ME) the right to inflict our morals on others.

and laws that prohibit the pursuit of life liberty and happiness (any ones Life liberty and happiness) are not only un-constitutional but start to feel a lot like Nazi Germany.)

Until ALL (Even the Homosexuals) are free none are free.

Oh, and I almost forgot.

I know all about "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth” You do know that this is a republican backed group?

My father was in Da-nagn (probably spelled that wrong), technically he served in Vietnam with Kerry. But only technically.

The People who were with Kerry on his boat are voting for him

And how Am I following the herd when I'm disapproving of our government?

He stole that last election; I don't think he'll get to steel another.

And could you tell me, where in the constitution it makes a provision for the court to decide an election. That's probably that part that pissed me off even more so than the discarded black votes in Florida.

G.W.B is out of touch with most Americans, who aren’t all rich white and southern Christians.

I'd rather have a president who has had hardships to deal with than one who's never

Weather or not Kerry deserved all of his medals, hardly the point, He went to a war, and He had people die under his command that he knew personally. And He came back (After doing His duty as a citizen of this country) and exercised His rights (as a citizen of this country) To protest what He thought was wrong.

That demonstrates to me a great deal of integrity and understanding of what this country is about.

At least he didn't call his daddy so he could go party instead. (Not that I'm pointing fingers)

Can't wait for the rest of my points to be addressed by the pabulum-puking conservatives

It is only threw debate that we learn the mettle of our beliefs.

[SpamhandEl]

Bone - First the "fuck off and die" comment was not aimed at you. I was showing my disgust at the idea of an out-of-the-closet paedophile.

As apposed to "In the closet Pedophilia?" Would that be any better?

[j2k4]

Originally posted by SpamhandEl@15 August 2004 - 04:28

1:Homosexuality is wrong. God said it, not me. Go argue with him about it. Maybe he'll change the Word for you. I doubt it, but it's up to Him. Just listen as you talk to Him. You might get an answer.

Go back to your safe little "church", some of us live in a real world and answer to a real God. Not to church dogma written in the middle ages.

And "Yes" I said the middle ages, nothing in older scriptures makes any reference homosexuality, and older Christian text (believe it or not) teaches us to hold compassion and love for our fellow humans, and not to judge them. That is Gods job alone.

Before you bring it up (Sodom) I'll explain further. The act of sodomy, (Before puritanical church leaders redefined it) Addresses any act of sex that is done outside of the love of God.
Not anything your homophobic father finds icky.

And who is to determine what is outside of the love of God? Not you my friend.

I did notice that you use the argument of God and God's

That is between two consenting adults and God. They (Believe it or not) Have there own souls and there own relationship with god. That (And I'm sorry to have to tell you this) has nothing to do with you.

2:Saddam was never a good guy. Reagen was wrong.

No Argument here we do agree.

3:Trade with Cuba, China, and all communist nations is wrong. But Billy Bob Clinton gave Red China Most Favored Nation Trading Status. That's ok, though, he's a Dem.

China was given MFNT in an attempt to stabilize the region and attempt to Un-alienate a country with Nuclear weapons and the brute manpower to kick our Asses without them.

Also I disagree with trade embargos against communist nations, The Soviet Union would never have fallen with out Glasnost.

And I know Regan had a hand in that, I do believe he was a great and wise man, with everything but the economy.

4:We should dump the United Nations idiots. But if they wanna help in Iraq, fine. The more the merrier. It's a totally FUBAR now, so let the clowns in the blue hats come in, hell the terrorists need some new targets anyway.so let the clowns in the blue hats come in, hell the terrorists need some new targets anyway.

????????????
Do you have any clue what the U.N. is for? Being a republican, And following dubba-u's lead I understand the confusion.

I'll explain.

The U.N was established to PREVENT countries from throwing their weight around. Remember how bad that got in the last century.

i.e. imposing our will on others and ignoring U.N. Protocol is the very reason that most of the world thinks this country is full of arrogant self important culture-centric red necks.

Some of us dislike this stereotype.

And

so let the clowns in the blue hats come in, hell the terrorists need some new targets anyway.

1. people fighting and invading force are not called terrorist, even if we are the invading force.

2.The only life that matters is people who look and believe like you?? is that what I'm to understanding here? Just trying to understand who I'm talking to.

5:Women, etc., I believe refers to abortion. Sorry, I am a former fetus who chooses life. Abortion is the legal 'right' to murder children. Life is a gift from God. His to give, His to take. Refer to 1 for arguments. It aint in the Bible, but then again, it wasn't a problem then.

I've been waiting this whole response for this one.

Learn to read and understand the Christian bible yourself. The ONLY thing in your bible that comes close to offering a Christian answer is
(GEN 2  7)  And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Before he breathed, he was not a living soul.

And until you are a duck you have no right to make laws for ducks.

As well, until you have an uterus you have no right to make laws about uteruses.

Old white rich men making MORAL decisions for the rest of the country is offensive.
There at one time was intended to be a separation of church and state.

And in Closing......

Morality is the domain of the church. Not the government in a "Free" society; that we so like to assure ourselves we are.

After all isn't that what gives us the right to bully all other nations?? Were the good guys fighting for freedom.

And "Freedom" does not mean freedom to believe like you, or even me. But Freedom to find our own beliefs with out the government interfering.

And by that token I bare you no ill will for your beliefs or your right to speak them.

But it does not give you (or ME) the right to inflict our morals on others.

and laws that prohibit the pursuit of life liberty and happiness (any ones Life liberty and happiness) are not only un-constitutional but start to feel a lot like Nazi Germany.)

Until ALL (Even the Homosexuals) are free none are free.

Oh, and I almost forgot.

I know all about "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth” You do know that this is a republican backed group?

My father was in Da-nagn (probably spelled that wrong), technically he served in Vietnam with Kerry. But only technically.

The People who were with Kerry on his boat are voting for him

And how Am I following the herd when I'm disapproving of our government?

He stole that last election; I don't think he'll get to steel another.

And could you tell me, where in the constitution it makes a provision for the court to decide an election. That's probably that part that pissed me off even more so than the discarded black votes in Florida.

G.W.B is out of touch with most Americans, who aren’t all rich white and southern Christians.

I'd rather have a president who has had hardships to deal with than one who's never

Weather or not Kerry deserved all of his medals, hardly the point, He went to a war, and He had people die under his command that he knew personally. And He came back (After doing His duty as a citizen of this country) and exercised His rights (as a citizen of this country) To protest what He thought was wrong.
 
That demonstrates to me a great deal of integrity and understanding of what this country is about.

At least he didn't call his daddy so he could go party instead. (Not that I'm pointing fingers)

Can't wait for the rest of my points to be addressed by the pabulum-puking conservatives

It is only threw debate that we learn the mettle of our beliefs.

That's a long-ass post, my friend.

As a fellow Michigander, I would recommend you retract your claws ever-so-slightly (not casting any aspersions, here) and post a bit more succintly; honestly-you'll wear yourself out if you continue in that vein.

Learn how to carry on without getting carried away, eh?

[SpamhandEl]

You are correct, I did go on a bit much, I was answering specific criticisms to another post I had. And then, you are right, I rambled.

I will try to keep more to the point in the future, however I still stand by my every word,
And I'll try not to burn myself out.
And I'll endevor to retract the claws a bit, passions run deep in my strain of human.
I must add, I was shocked to find (on a site about file sharing) so much conservatism..

Does not compute..

[vidcc]

Originally posted by SpamhandEl@15 August 2004 - 09:28
I must add, I was shocked to find (on a site about file sharing) so much conservatism..

gosh the times i've seen complaints about the "liberal" bias.

[j2k4]

Originally posted by SpamhandEl@15 August 2004 - 10:28
I must add, I was shocked to find (on a site about file sharing) so much conservatism..

Does not compute..

Well, a few (a very few) of us are conservative, but it seems to be a late-developing condition; as vid has hinted, those of us who are here have done our own rambling on the question of overwhelming liberal numbers.

Rest assured, the conservative element here (while vocal) is far, far in the minority; that is to say you have lots of company to help with the typing.

In any case, I'd spotted you for one of politically "mixed" blood, given the entire content of your post.

Time will tell.

Welcome to the board, BTW.

[spinningfreemanny]

Hmmm, the idea that the judeo christian God accepts homosexuality is amazing to me.

It is in plain text in the pentateuch, in the laws God gave Moses for Israel, I don't know how much farther back you need to go.