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    Missouri approves same-sex marriage ban


    JEFFERSON CITY, Missouri (AP) -- Missouri voters solidly endorsed a state constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage, a decision that was closely watched by national groups on both sides of the battle.

    With nearly all precincts reporting, the amendment had garnered 71 percent of the vote, according to unofficial results for Tuesday's vote.

    It was the first such vote since the historic ruling in Massachusetts last year that legalized same-sex weddings there.

    Also Tuesday, Missouri voters dumped embattled Gov. Bob Holden in favor of state Auditor Claire McCaskill in the state's Democratic primary. (Full story)

    Although the ban was widely expected to pass in conservative Missouri, experts said the campaign served as a key barometer for which strategies work as at least nine other states, and perhaps as many as 12, vote on similar amendments this year.

    Missouri and 37 other states already have laws defining marriage as only between a man and a woman. But amendment supporters fear a court could toss aside the state law, and they believe the state would be on firmer legal ground if an outright ban is part of the Constitution.

    "I'm very gratified and encouraged and thankful that the people of this state understand our current policy's a wise public policy and they want to see it protected from a legal challenge," said Vicky Hartzler, a spokeswoman for the Coalition to Protect Marriage in Missouri.

    Opponents said the amendment was unnecessary and discriminatory, but knew they faced an uphill battle in Missouri.

    "We're already reaching out to these other states, sharing with them what we learned, what worked, what didn't work, and we'll move on," said Doug Gray, campaign manager for the Constitution Defense League. "Ultimately we're right and they're simply wrong."

    Supporters and opponents of the amendment have used grassroots campaigns, knocking on doors and making phone calls to tell people about the issue. The group fighting the amendment, the Constitution Defense League, raised more than $360,000, largely from national gay-rights groups, and ran a television ad in the final days before the vote.

    The group favoring the amendment, the Coalition to Protect Marriage in Missouri, spread the word through churches and community events, raising just a few thousand dollars but saying public sentiment in Missouri was on their side.

    Louisiana residents are to vote on a marriage amendment September 18. Then Arkansas, Georgia, Kentucky, Mississippi, Montana, Oklahoma, Oregon and Utah are to vote on the issue November 2. Initiatives are pending in Michigan, North Dakota and Ohio.

    Four states -- Alaska, Hawaii, Nebraska and Nevada -- already have similar amendments in their constitutions.
    Well it's democracy but it's shameful that a country that touts freedom and even uses it as an excuse to go to war with other countries should deny it to a minority.
    We don't need to deny freedom to protect marriage. If marriage is at risk it's because people that get married don't take it seriously enough.

    This does indeed reflect the true definition of hypocracy.

    itís an election with no Democrats, in one of the whitest states in the union, where rich candidates pay $35 for your votes. Or, as Republicans call it, their vision for the future.

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    Pathetic.

    I have yet to see/hear a shred of evidence that allowing gay marriage ( the whole enchilada...NOT a "civil union") in any way diminishes the sanctity of heterosexual marriage.
    To me this is just politically correct homophobia.

    An interesting aside...
    Here in Colorado, Pete Coors (yes, THAT Coors..."Supreme Swillmiester"), is running for the Senate as a Republican ( no surprise there).
    Humorously, The Coors Brewing Company, after a nationwide gay boycott several years ago, has become one of the most progressive "gay-friendly" companies around...a fact that poor Pete is desperately trying to avoid/justify to Colorado's conservative electorate.
    We are the state after all, who inflicted Marilyn Musgrave on the rest of the nation.

    The contortions that Coors is employing to distance himself from the company that HE runs ( and who's progressive policies he was so proud of up until his campaign began) would qalify him for a position with the Cirque du Soliel.

    Ah, politics....
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    Actually, I see this as more a problem with failure to separate church from state.

    Marriage or civil union is not something that should be voted on. I don't remember any vote on whether it should be legal for a man and woman to marry. They can call it "civil union" if the the church feels that it has a corner on the use of the word "marriage", but whatever the label chosen, it should provide the same LEGAL priveldges that traditional marriages provide.

    This quibbling over a word, is a way of dodging the real issue. And it is religion which makes this an issue at all. Religion should not be used to define the rights of an individual.
    Aren't we in the trust tree, thingey?

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    I believe that marraige should have nothing to do with governement then.
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    Originally posted by Busyman@4 August 2004 - 23:14
    I believe that marraige should have nothing to do with governement then.
    What about tax status?
    Do you know everything? do you know 3% of everything? Could it be that what you don't believe in is in the other 97%?

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    Marraige has nothing to do with government, so there you go.

    Marraige two facets:

    1) A union under God, but as an aside, atheists and agnostic "marry", what's up with that? Should that be called something else, too?

    2) It establishes a legal relationship between the 2 parties which has relevance to personal property and tax laws and such. That is all gays want, a way to get the legal benefits that straight folks do.

    What should we call the union between gay athiests?

    You know Busy, we could have a vote on whether black men can have white wives. In so many states, that would be democratically banned. That is not a victory for the democratic way, but an out and out violation of civil rights.

    I see this gay marraige thing as something very similar. Instead of being fueled by racism, the fight against gays is fueled by religion.
    Aren't we in the trust tree, thingey?

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    Democracy dont work. At least not in this country. Tyranny of the Majority.

    But eh at least the fucking rednecks in this state(Missouri) voted down building a casino in a little town called Rockaway Beach. B)

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    Originally posted by Arm@5 August 2004 - 00:38
    Democracy dont work. At least not in this country.
    You can always move to China...
    Do you know everything? do you know 3% of everything? Could it be that what you don't believe in is in the other 97%?

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    Originally posted by spinningfreemanny+4 August 2004 - 19:45--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (spinningfreemanny &#064; 4 August 2004 - 19:45)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Arm@5 August 2004 - 00:38
    Democracy dont work. At least not in this country.
    You can always move to China... [/b][/quote]
    I was thinking about Canada. Alot closer to democracy then America. :clover:

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    Originally posted by Arm@4 August 2004 - 22:38
    Democracy dont work. At least not in this country. Tyranny of the Majority.

    But eh at least the fucking rednecks in this state(Missouri) voted down building a casino in a little town called Rockaway Beach. B)
    If we could only get rid of mind warping music and that indecent dancing, we might all have a chance to be free of the devil.
    Aren't we in the trust tree, thingey?

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