Well It's Democracy

[hobbes]

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Originally posted by vidcc@5 August 2004 - 19:12
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@5 August 2004 - 18:09
You guys were touting this thread (last page) as "idealistic crap".

In truth, it does not quite rise to that level.

Please keep trying-

Sincerely,

j2

HUH ?

mutter, mutter, murmur, buzz, mutter...

People continually insist on broadening and/or outright changing the definitions of words.

Guess what?

My Toyota is now a Ferrari.



Here&#39;s what I want:

I want someone here to justify appropriating the term "marriage" for use by our gay population, when everything else has been profferred under the term "civil union"?

Keep in mind that, in light of the extra-special specialness of a gay coupling, any other wordings arising from whatever creative constructs can be arranged through full access to all 26 letters of the alphabet would be allowed.

I hereby submit "clopnoferrowiage" as a possible term.[/b][/quote]
J2,

To the penalty box you go. Nobody here cares about a simple little word. Keep it, cherish it, it has no bearing on the concept of violation of civil rights discussed here.

It has been stated over and over that no one cares about the word used to define the joining of a same sex couple. They simply want the same legal rights as those who have this thing called "marriage".

Call it civil union, call it "nachos and cheese", just let us stop the religious people from defining what is allowed because of their Bible.

We need to separate Church from State, and stop infringing on people&#39;s rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

If a gay union infringes on your rights, please let me know how?

The word "marriage" can be left to hetero couples, just allow non-hetero&#39;s an equal legal union.

You didn&#39;t read the thread, did you? For shame.

[vidcc]

Originally posted by j2k4@5 August 2004 - 18:40

My Toyota is now a Ferrari.

where do you put the gunrack in a Ferrari?

Call it what you will everyone is going to say married... they are going to say "this is my husband" or "this is my wife" and nobody is going to say "this is my gay civil union partner". the&#39;re just words.

There is a tunnel under the thames in England called the "dartford tunnel" and it was found to be insufficient for the job as time went by. So they built a bridge over the river at the same location and that bridge is called the queen elizabeth the 2nd bridge. How many people call it that?....close to bugger all....they call it the dartford bridge. It&#39;s just what will happen

BTW as we are raising words, "gay" never used to mean homosexual so please don&#39;t use it

[clocker]

Originally posted by MicroScreen2@5 August 2004 - 17:11
all i say is it should be sorted before it starts

And how do you propose to make that happen?

@JP,
I understand your reluctance to accept the term "holy matrimony", but there are already several churches willing to marry same sex partners.
Maybe not "holy" by your definition, but it seems to suffice for them.

[hobbes]

Originally posted by Arm@5 August 2004 - 22:26
Well the Mexicans sure. America may be crappy but still better then being poor in Mexico.

And foreign doctors having to be retrained once they get here, maybe having some extra training by a year or 2 but repeating med school again sounds like bullshit to me.

And no we got a shitty country. All our so-called freedoms(which the government and corporations are working hard to take away and have won) we can get in any other developed country in the world, plus more.

And sure ill go to other countries. B) Some time this year or later hopefully ill go to Iran and see how the Persians are. The Iranian youth is starting to like heavy metal you know.

The point is that they are fully qualified to practice medicine. There is no attempt to justify the request that they repeat their training, it is simply a way to tell them that they are not wanted.

Despite this, they do it anyway.

That is how wonderful we have it here.

As for Iran, please go there, and when you return, you will find that you would have been killed there for the defiance that you post here.

And to be clear, what freedoms can you get abroad that you can&#39;t have here. Iran would be a nice example. In fact, please tell me which country you are talking about. Or is this just an emotional rant. Thought so.

What is a "developed country", or do you mean a "free society" as Iran sure as hell ain&#39;t that.

You just don&#39;t have any perspective.

You&#39;re just an angry little boy.

[Arm]

Arm no angry. He happy like James Brown.

And no I wasent talking about Iran being a free country. Sure, before the CIA overthrew their democratic president they had a democracy but not anymore. Good food though. My dads Iranian and he wants to go back to you know, see his home country and let me see it.

The "free countries" I was talking about was Canada and Western Europe. Definetly not perfect but have alot more sanity then here in the States.

[hobbes]

Originally posted by j2k4@5 August 2004 - 22:40
Here&#39;s what I want:

I want someone here to justify appropriating the term "marriage" for use by our gay population, when everything else has been profferred under the term "civil union"?

J2,

The crux is that "civil unions" are in no way equal legally to "marriage"

The word "Marriage" is of no interest to anyone, and distracts from the violation of civil rights, which is core interset of this thread.

[hobbes]

Originally posted by Arm@6 August 2004 - 02:13
Arm no angry. He happy like James Brown.

And no I wasent talking about Iran being a free country. Sure, before the CIA overthrew their democratic president they had a democracy but not anymore. Good food though. My dads Iranian and he wants to go back to you know, see his home country and let me see it.

The "free countries" I was talking about was Canada and Western Europe. Definetly not perfect but have alot more sanity then here in the States.

Arm,

Have you not read your own posts?

Obviously you are angry.

What exactly can you do in Canada or Western Europe which is prohibited here?

I want specific examples.

[Arm]

Bah all this gay marriage talk is just a distraction from the real problems in the world. Soldiers are getting killed in Iraq left and right, nations are withdrawing their troops and this is after the war was declared over. Americas support is growing cold and were worrying about 2 guys or 2 chicks who wanna marry.

Let the gay people get married. If it pisses off the rednecks then it&#39;s awesome.

[hobbes]

Originally posted by Arm@6 August 2004 - 02:23
Bah all this gay marriage talk is just a distraction from the real problems in the world. Soldiers are getting killed in Iraq left and right, nations are withdrawing their troops and this is after the war was declared over. Americas support is growing cold and were worrying about 2 guys or 2 chicks who wanna marry.

Let the gay people get married. If it pisses off the rednecks then it&#39;s awesome.

Well, at least you make no pretense of posting on topic

[clocker]

Originally posted by j2k4@5 August 2004 - 18:40


I want someone here to justify appropriating the term "marriage" for use by our gay population, when everything else has been profferred under the term "civil union"?

J2,
Your use of the word "appropriate" seems to imply that some cherished component of your marriage is diminished when the term "marriage" is used by others.
What might that be?
Seems to me that if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, etc, etc.

Certainly, the emotional bonds can be just the same no matter the sex of the partners, so that leaves the trivial mechanics of sex itself as the only significant difference.