Well It's Democracy

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by MicroScreen2@5 August 2004 - 23:30
marriage <s>is</s> was like an extra bond to keep parents together for the sake of the children, so yeah a legal document does help support.


i looked up paternalistic and now i understand the arguement. its stupid.

i think theres a time for people mind their own business and a time for people to intervene. society cant allow kids to be bullied for a few peoples&#39; selfish wishes. maybe in a few years, but not yet.

So status quo it is then.

Change nothing, no matter how heinous. Let&#39;s not rock the boat.

[MicroScreen2]

i mean society isnt ready, i dont know how you can make everybody accept homosexuality, but sending in the first wave to get fucked up so the next generation will seem a normal part of society is not the way.

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by MicroScreen2@5 August 2004 - 23:39
i mean society isnt ready, i dont know how you can make everybody accept homosexuality, but sending in the first wave to get fucked up so the next generation will seem a normal part of society is not the way.

Like I said earlier ask the Black people of America, or the Indians who wished freedom from the British. Or perhaps ask the Suffragettes.

These people decided to stand up for what was right and to oppose what was wrong. They accepted that they themselves would suffer, however those that came after them would benefit from their courage.

Given that you consider homosexuality to be un-natural I am sure they are willing to make their altruistic decision without reference to your good self.

If you chose to take the path of least resistance that is a matter entirely for you. However some people choose to stand up for what they believe in, irrespective of the consequences.

[Biggles]

Originally posted by MicroScreen2@5 August 2004 - 22:30
marriage <s>is</s> was like an extra bond to keep parents together for the sake of the children, so yeah a legal document does help support.


i looked up paternalistic and now i understand the arguement. its stupid.

i think theres a time for people mind their own business and a time for people to intervene. society cant allow kids to be bullied for a few peoples&#39; selfish wishes. maybe in a few years, but not yet.

Actually Big Brotherian has more resonance as it refers to George Orwell&#39;s book "1984". Big Brother was the friendly name given to the ever-snooping government officials who were only looking out for the citizens&#39; best interests - depressing and scary book.

[MicroScreen2]

Originally posted by J&#39;Pol+5 August 2004 - 22:47--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J&#39;Pol @ 5 August 2004 - 22:47)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-MicroScreen2@5 August 2004 - 23:39
i mean society isnt ready, i dont know how you can make everybody accept homosexuality, but sending in the first wave to get fucked up so the next generation will seem a normal part of society is not the way.

Like I said earlier ask the Black people of America, or the Indians who wished freedom from the British. Or perhaps ask the Suffragettes.

These people decided to stand up for what was right and to oppose what was wrong. They accepted that they themselves would suffer, however those that came after them would benefit from their courage.

Given that you consider homosexuality to be un-natural I am sure they are willing to make their altruistic decision without reference to your good self.

If you chose to take the path of least resistance that is a matter entirely for you. However some people choose to stand up for what they believe in, irrespective of the consequences. [/b][/quote]
its just not the same. your examples are oppressed people that decided they want freedom irrespective of the consequences and accepted they may suffer.

i&#39;m talking about people who want to do something irrespective of how they will make someone else suffer.

[Biggles]

What is exactly the same is the mentality of those who would abuse others for what they are or who they are related to. The people J&#39;Pol refers to were oppressed and ill treated simply by dint of who they were. If the children of a Gay couple are attacked because of their parents then those who have abused them are as low and vile as those who abused the Blacks and Indians. It is solely the responsibility of the abusers.

[MicroScreen2]

Originally posted by Biggles@5 August 2004 - 23:02
What is exactly the same is the mentality of those who would abuse others for what they are or who they are related to. The people J&#39;Pol refers to were oppressed and ill treated simply by dint of who they were. If the children of a Gay couple are attacked because of their parents then those who have abused them are as low and vile as those who abused the Blacks and Indians. It is solely the responsibility of the abusers.

its no justification to let it happen though

[hobbes]

Originally posted by clocker@5 August 2004 - 20:21
Hobbes, I&#39;m sure you have just earned a position in his campaign staff.

Clocker,

Please do not make light of the subject.

In a personal correspondance, Bill offered me a peek into his soul.

He wrote,

"When the news was brought to me that my wife was married to an adulterer, my mind was thrown into a detached and gray world of disbelief. After many days, nay weeks, of soul searching and introspection, I realized that I must divorce my wife of 15 years. It was a tough choice, but the right thing to do. I owe as much to the fine people of Colorado. They deserve a man, willing to make the tough decisions."



If a picture of Dave Chappelle pops into your head after reading the above, then you are definitely tuned to the right frequency.

[Biggles]

Originally posted by MicroScreen2+5 August 2004 - 23:05--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MicroScreen2 @ 5 August 2004 - 23:05)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Biggles@5 August 2004 - 23:02
What is exactly the same is the mentality of those who would abuse others for what they are or who they are related to. The people J&#39;Pol refers to were oppressed and ill treated simply by dint of who they were. If the children of a Gay couple are attacked because of their parents then those who have abused them are as low and vile as those who abused the Blacks and Indians. It is solely the responsibility of the abusers.

its no justification to let it happen though [/b][/quote]


True - the abusers need to be dealt with.

[MicroScreen2]

Originally posted by Biggles+5 August 2004 - 23:07--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Biggles @ 5 August 2004 - 23:07)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by MicroScreen2@5 August 2004 - 23:05
<!--QuoteBegin-Biggles

@5 August 2004 - 23:02
What is exactly the same is the mentality of those who would abuse others for what they are or who they are related to. The people J&#39;Pol refers to were oppressed and ill treated simply by dint of who they were. If the children of a Gay couple are attacked because of their parents then those who have abused them are as low and vile as those who abused the Blacks and Indians. It is solely the responsibility of the abusers.

its no justification to let it happen though

True - the abusers need to be dealt with. [/b][/quote]
i dont know howit can be done. all i say is it should be sorted before it starts