Well It's Democracy

[hobbes]

Originally posted by MicroScreen2@5 August 2004 - 20:30
i looked up paternalistic and now i understand the arguement. its stupid.

i think theres a time for people mind their own business and a time for people to intervene. society cant allow kids to be bullied for a few peoples' selfish wishes. maybe in a few years, but not yet.

Oh well, since you have been uniquely blessed with this type of insight, please keep us posted when the right time arrives, Big Brother.

Look up "irony", now.

[MicroScreen2]

Originally posted by hobbes+5 August 2004 - 23:12--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (hobbes @ 5 August 2004 - 23:12)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-MicroScreen2@5 August 2004 - 20:30
i looked up paternalistic and now i understand the arguement. its stupid.

i think theres a time for people mind their own business and a time for people to intervene. society cant allow kids to be bullied for a few peoples&#39; selfish wishes. maybe in a few years, but not yet.

Oh well, since you have been uniquely blessed with this type of insight, please keep us posted when the right time arrives, Big Brother.

Look up "irony", now. [/b][/quote]
wow. you missed the point

[hobbes]

Originally posted by Biggles+5 August 2004 - 20:48--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Biggles @ 5 August 2004 - 20:48)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-MicroScreen2@5 August 2004 - 22:30
marriage <s>is</s> was like an extra bond to keep parents together for the sake of the children, so yeah a legal document does help support.


i looked up paternalistic and now i understand the arguement. its stupid.

i think theres a time for people mind their own business and a time for people to intervene. society cant allow kids to be bullied for a few peoples&#39; selfish wishes. maybe in a few years, but not yet.

Actually Big Brotherian has more resonance as it refers to George Orwell&#39;s book "1984". Big Brother was the friendly name given to the ever-snooping government officials who were only looking out for the citizens&#39; best interests - depressing and scary book. [/b][/quote]
Biggles,

Did you get the jist of what I was saying? I know the source of "Big Brother" and I was using a little artist license for the art of my post.

Please don&#39;t make me throw my smock at you&#33;

[hobbes]

Originally posted by MicroScreen2+5 August 2004 - 21:15--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MicroScreen2 &#064; 5 August 2004 - 21:15)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by hobbes@5 August 2004 - 23:12
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@5 August 2004 - 20:30
i looked up paternalistic and now i understand the arguement. its stupid.

i think theres a time for people mind their own business and a time for people to intervene. society cant allow kids to be bullied for a few peoples&#39; selfish wishes. maybe in a few years, but not yet.

Oh well, since you have been uniquely blessed with this type of insight, please keep us posted when the right time arrives, Big Brother.

Look up "irony", now.

wow. you missed the point [/b][/quote]
No, I did not.

The point is that there is no right time.

Just ask any couple having a baby, particularly if they both are working. There is no right time to have a baby, you just have the baby and make adjustments.

[MicroScreen2]

Originally posted by hobbes+5 August 2004 - 23:16--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (hobbes &#064; 5 August 2004 - 23:16)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by MicroScreen2@5 August 2004 - 21:15

Originally posted by hobbes@5 August 2004 - 23:12
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@5 August 2004 - 20:30
i looked up paternalistic and now i understand the arguement. its stupid.

i think theres a time for people mind their own business and a time for people to intervene. society cant allow kids to be bullied for a few peoples&#39; selfish wishes. maybe in a few years, but not yet.

Oh well, since you have been uniquely blessed with this type of insight, please keep us posted when the right time arrives, Big Brother.

Look up "irony", now.

wow. you missed the point

No, I did not.

The point is that there is no right time. [/b][/quote]
well you dont know what irony is then


after edit: wtf?

[Biggles]

Originally posted by hobbes+5 August 2004 - 23:15--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (hobbes &#064; 5 August 2004 - 23:15)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by Biggles@5 August 2004 - 20:48
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@5 August 2004 - 22:30
marriage <s>is</s> was like an extra bond to keep parents together for the sake of the children, so yeah a legal document does help support.


i looked up paternalistic and now i understand the arguement. its stupid.

i think theres a time for people mind their own business and a time for people to intervene. society cant allow kids to be bullied for a few peoples&#39; selfish wishes. maybe in a few years, but not yet.

Actually Big Brotherian has more resonance as it refers to George Orwell&#39;s book "1984". Big Brother was the friendly name given to the ever-snooping government officials who were only looking out for the citizens&#39; best interests - depressing and scary book.

Biggles,

Did you get the jist of what I was saying? I know the source of "Big Brother" and I was using a little artist license for the art of my post.

Please don&#39;t make me throw my smock at you&#33; [/b][/quote]


Apologies my good Hobbes. I merely took the liberty of elucidating for MS2.

I would not contemplate teaching a rabbit to suck eggs.

[MicroScreen2]

oh i think i understand now. the selfish is selfish because its putting other peope in tthe firing line. if theres no firing line the selfishness isnt there so much, or at least the suffering isn&#39;t. when kids with gay parents can accepted the same as any other kid. then is the right time

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by MicroScreen2@6 August 2004 - 00:21
oh i think i understand now. the selfish is selfish because its putting other peope in tthe firing line. if theres no firing line the selfishness isnt there so much, or at least the suffering isn&#39;t. when kids with gay parents can accepted the&nbsp; same as any other kid. then is the right time

Make up your mind, either be good with expresing yourself in English or not.

It&#39;s cool either way, but just try to be consistent, it&#39;s more fun that way.

The following is not really consistent with someone who finds English difficult.

its just not the same. your examples are oppressed people that decided they want freedom irrespective of the consequences and accepted they may suffer.

i&#39;m talking about people who want to do something irrespective of how they will make someone else suffer.

Like I said, one way or the other old bean.

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by MicroScreen2+5 August 2004 - 23:56--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MicroScreen2 @ 5 August 2004 - 23:56)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by J&#39;Pol@5 August 2004 - 22:47
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@5 August 2004 - 23:39
i mean society isnt ready, i dont know how you can make everybody accept homosexuality, but sending in the first wave to get fucked up so the next generation will seem a normal part of society is not the way.

Like I said earlier ask the Black people of America, or the Indians who wished freedom from the British. Or perhaps ask the Suffragettes.

These people decided to stand up for what was right and to oppose what was wrong. They accepted that they themselves would suffer, however those that came after them would benefit from their courage.

Given that you consider homosexuality to be un-natural I am sure they are willing to make their altruistic decision without reference to your good self.

If you chose to take the path of least resistance that is a matter entirely for you. However some people choose to stand up for what they believe in, irrespective of the consequences.

its just not the same. your examples are oppressed people that decided they want freedom irrespective of the consequences and accepted they may suffer.

i&#39;m talking about people who want to do something irrespective of how they will make someone else suffer. [/b][/quote]
Or is it just me.

[hobbes]

Let me clarify the "irony"


You stated that gays should not be allowed to marry because their children would bear the burden of punishment (bullied).

I stated that you were being Paternalistic, meaning that you were making a decision for them, not because it was right, but because you thought someone could get hurt. You didn&#39;t think that they would be able to handle the situation themselves, so you intervened.

Your response was "that&#39;s stupid" (my saying that you were being paternalistic) and then you stated that there is a "time to mind your own business and a time to intervene" and "now is not the right time".

That is my exact point, you are being paternalistic, you want to make decisions for someone else.

There is the irony. You thought you weren&#39;t being paternalistic and that my calling you paternalistic was "stupid". In truth, you were being exactly that, and not even realizing it.