Equality run amok!

[Rat Faced]

[Busyman]

There should absolutely be seperation of church and state, and church should be paying taxes.
As far as your concerns about children raised by gay couples....worry not. They are probably better adjusted children, as tolerance would be a natural environment for them to grow up in a nd learn in that household.
Parenting isn't easy. it makes no difference if you're male or female. there are plenty of troubled children that grow up in heterosexual households.
Learning to except people for who they are seems to be a heavy lesson for alot of people.

I said nothing of homosexuals raising children and tolerance to the lifestyle is not what I'm talking about.
I for one am tolerant of the lifestyle.
Folks seem to equate not being for gay marriage to homophobia.

[spinningfreemanny]

There should absolutely be seperation of church and state, and church should be paying taxes.

aren't churches non-profit? They are not allowed campaign contributions and they have no wares.

What about salvation army? and other church sponsored shelters, such as soup kitchens and mens homes? I would like to explore your insanity a little more Ruthie; morbid curiosity, if you will...

Don't worry RF, I'll make a glittery crown for you too...

[ruthie]

aren't churches non-profit? They are not allowed campaign contributions and they have no wares.

What about salvation army? and other church sponsored shelters, such as soup kitchens and mens homes? I would like to explore your insanity a little more Ruthie; morbid curiosity, if you will...

Don't worry RF, I'll make a glittery crown for you too...

Manny...your poor mother. Under Bush and his faith initiative based programs, money is going where it shouldn't. the Bush campaign has asked for pastors to give the campaign team lists of church members so they (Bushies) may attempt to sway them. Bushies have asked ministers, rabbis, etc. to preach their bullshit from the pulpit and tell them they need to vote for Bush. Give me a break. Wanna explore my... what you term insanity? (subjective opinion, of course)? I believe you are curious about my politics and other beliefs.
Ask away, Manny.
let me add too, Bush is attempting to pass rules, reinterpret them, and ignore them, all to fit his fundamentalist ideology. What a bunch of bullshit.

[vidcc]

i've long been for complete seperation of church and state. I think that the church has no place dictating political ethics upon a society that isn't completely religious.
That said my case holds more water if churches are not taxed... tax them and they have the right to ask for their views to be listened to in policies.
On the other hand i think that by not taxing churches i am being forced as a non believer to subsidise something i disagree with.... by conservative logic isn't that "unamerican"?
It was interesting in the debate last week when that woman asked for assurance that not one tax dollar would go to finance an abortion...meaning she didn't want any of her tax paying for something she doesn't believe in...well what if we could all ask for our tax to not be used for things we disagree with?...like the Iraq war.

if you are against gay marriage...just don't marry someone of the same sex

[spinningfreemanny]

Manny...your poor mother. Under Bush and his faith inititive based programs, money is going where it shouldn't. the Bush campaign has asked for pastors to give the campaign team lists of church members so they (Bushies) may attempt to sway them. Bushies have asked ministers, rabbis, etc. to preach their bullshit from the pulpit and tell them they need to vote for Bush. Give me a break. Wanna explore my what you term insanity? (subjective opinion, of course)? I believe you are curious about my politics and other beliefs.
Ask away, Manny.
let me add too, Bush is attempting to pass rules, reinterpret them, and ignor them, all to fit his fundamentalist ideology. What a bunch of bullshit.

Hey, don't feel sorry for me...

not to offend, but it seems to me that you've been (probably voluntarily) duped by propaganda (if not the maker of it). Also, ironicly, you didn't answer one of my questions, though you tell me to ask...

BTW, what was Kerry doing speaking at a Baptist church yesterday?

[spinningfreemanny]

On the other hand i think that by not taxing churches i am being forced as a non believer to subsidise something i disagree with.... by conservative logic isn't that "unamerican"?

You disagree with feeding and sheltering homeless people?

[ruthie]

Hey, don't feel sorry for me...

not to offend, but it seems to me that you've been (probably voluntarily) duped by propaganda (if not the maker of it). Also, ironicly, you didn't answer one of my questions, though you tell me to ask...

BTW, what was Kerry doing speaking at a Baptist church yesterday?

Let me answer a few of your questions. Shelters, soup kitchens, etc. are all cool with me. What isn't cool is that some of them preach to the people who go for services. There are many substance abuse programs (in-patient) that are religious based programs. Bush, pushing his faith based inititative programs also, amazingly made it possible for places like these to discriminate and ask potential employees their religion, etc.
Propaganda....don't believe it, don't push it on others. I don't blindly follow other people, and I question everything. then, I research it for myself, as I believe in my responsibility to educate myself.
You tell me...what was kerry doing there? If you've followed any of my posts, you would know I am not thrilled with Kerry either, and think he also exhibits some undesirable qualities.
Curious...what is your age?

[3RA1N1AC]

You disagree with feeding and sheltering homeless people?

when you put it that way... O_o

along the same lines of reasoning:

what? you got a problem with dogs? are you a dog-hater? VOTE NIXON.

[vidcc]

You disagree with feeding and sheltering homeless people?

do you ever listen to yourself...what twisted logic came to bring you to that conclusion?
i disagree with religious groups in civil politics.
i disagree with the church being tax exempt.