"The New Soldier"

**ruthie** · 10-15-2004, 01:59 PM

Congress voted to give Boo!sh the AUTHORITY, as Commander in Chief..cough, choke. I don't think they expected him to turn around and rush into Iraq. They expected inspections to continue.

**vidcc** · 10-15-2004, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by CloudSeeder

We have been in Iraq (fighting) for 19 months, elections have been held in Afghanistan, are scheduled for January in Iraq. What are we supposed to do, just withdraw, leaving yet another war unfinished? True there were no WMD found, but when Congress voted overwhelmingly to go to Iraq even John Kerry thought there were, and he voted to go

Neither Kerry or Bush are suggesting pulling out at this stage....Kerry said something about if you break the pot you own it...It may have been wrong to go in but as we have we have a responsibility to work to get the peace before we withdraw.

**Busyman** · 10-15-2004, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by CloudSeeder

My point exactly, yet Kerry is proposing the exact foreign policy that put us there in the first place.
Korea: entered by Harry Truman (dem) at the request of UN (still there)
Vietnam: entered by John Kennedy (dem) at the request of UN withdrawn by Richard Nixon (rep)
Bosnia: Entered by Bill Clinton (dem) at the request of UN (still there)
Iraq: Entered by George Bush (rep) withdrawn by George Bush
Afghanistan: Entered by George W. Bush (rep) (still there) (not finished)
Iraq: Entered by George W. Bush (rep) (still there) (not finished)
We were in Korea (fighting) for over 3 years, and we were in Vietnam (fighting) for over 10 years. (helping France I might add here). We have been in Iraq (fighting) for 19 months, elections have been held in Afghanistan, are scheduled for January in Iraq. What are we supposed to do, just withdraw, leaving yet another war unfinished? True there were no WMD found, but when Congress voted overwhelmingly to go to Iraq even John Kerry thought there were, and he voted to go

What is Kerry proposing?

**CloudSeeder** · 10-15-2004, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by Busyman

What is Kerry proposing?

He thinks we should have the UN involved in training troops!

**Rat Faced** · 10-15-2004, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by CloudSeeder

He thinks we should have the UN involved in training troops!

There are lots of countries involved in Training Iraqi troops, that arent and wont go into Iraq. eg: Germany

Why not let UN have control? At least there'd be standardisation then.

**j2k4** · 10-15-2004, 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by ruthie

Congress voted to give Boo!sh the AUTHORITY, as Commander in Chief..cough, choke. I don't think they expected him to turn around and rush into Iraq. They expected inspections to continue.

Congress voted to give Bush the authority to use force in Iraq, and when he uses it, Kerry (who voted for it) cries foul??!!?

I'm having difficulty following the logic of your reasoning/conclusion here.

You act as if Bush asked for money for education and then went behind Congress' back and used it to go into Iraq.

If your child asks your permission to buy a candy bar (which you are certainly aware may rot his/her teeth), and when you grant it, proceeds to purchase and eat a candy bar, do you petition the public for a new child, based upon feelings of betrayal?

I must say you have a novel way of thinking; I'm afraid I shall never learn your method, and hereby beg you to stay so that you might explain such circuitous and convoluted thoughts.

**ruthie** · 10-15-2004, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by j2k4

Congress voted to give Bush the authority to use force in Iraq, and when he uses it, Kerry (who voted for it) cries foul??!!?

I'm having difficulty following the logic of your reasoning/conclusion here.

You act as if Bush asked for money for education and then went behind Congress' back and used it to go into Iraq.

If your child asks your permission to buy a candy bar (which you are certainly aware may rot his/her teeth), and when you grant it, proceeds to purchase and eat a candy bar, do you petition the public for a new child, based upon feelings of betrayal?

I must say you have a novel way of thinking; I'm afraid I shall never learn your method, and hereby beg you to stay so that you might explain such circuitous and convoluted thoughts.

Of course you don't understand my way of thinking. The vote was to give Bush the authority AFTER everything was tried, in terms of resolving the situation. That's a good example you use of Bush taking money allocated for one thing and doing something else with it.

**j2k4** · 10-15-2004, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by ruthie

The vote was to give Bush the authority AFTER everything was tried, in terms of resolving the situation.

Okay.

What precisely is left, "AFTER everything was tried"?

Twelve years and umpteen resolutions?

Congress AND Kerry knew exactly what they were voting for, ruthie.

I am astounded Kerry actually believes people buy or follow his "logic"; if he actually believes what he says, he is the most naive pol to ever float down the pike, and also the most disingenuous for trying to explain it away.

I will leave aside the fact of your wholesale purchase of this nonsense, and take this opportunity to apologize for posting without providing the requisite and irrelevent "link".

**ruthie** · 10-15-2004, 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by j2k4

Okay.

What precisely is left, "AFTER everything was tried"?

Twelve years and umpteen resolutions?

Congress AND Kerry knew exactly what they were voting for, ruthie.

I am astounded Kerry actually believes people buy or follow his "logic"; if he actually believes what he says, he is the most naive pol to ever float down the pike, and also the most disingenuous for trying to explain it away.

I will leave aside the fact of your wholesale purchase of this nonsense, and take this opportunity to apologize for posting without providing the requisite and irrelevent "link".

I don't think enough was done. Bush had an agenda as far as Iraq goes. Kerry is not the only politician to say they believed inspectors were going to be allowed to finish their job...they were not. There are Republicans that agree with that sentiment. Bush never intended to let them finish. i believe he knew there were no weapons, and I also believe he lied all the way through his presidincy..be it from leaking CIA operative's name to the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq. We are at war in Iraq, killing uncountable numbers of civilians. How many times are they going to bomb Fallujah?