Bush The Master And Blair The Puppy!

[DiogenesUK]

Originally posted by j2k4+27 March 2003 - 20:54--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (j2k4 @ 27 March 2003 - 20:54)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--DiogenesUK@27 March 2003 - 15:19
I&#39;d give the whole shebang (&#33;&#33;&#33 a lot more credibility if Butch & Blur had the courage of their convictions,and were prepared to put themselves in the vanguard of the fighting,much like leaders did at one time.

It must be mighty satisfying,in some perverse way,to send your youngest & finest to die,whilst you cavort around the media,thousands of miles away, pretending to be the hard man.

I also happen to think,as the media here pointed out,that Butch is more likely to be Blur&#39;s Rottweiller,after all,he drools & slavers like one,and appears to have that required insane gene just barely lurking beneath the surface.

Just watch his eyes next time he&#39;s on telly&nbsp;

If leaders and soldiers were in any way interchangeable, we could be governed by our armies, then?
Leaders are (in modern times anyway) SUPPOSED to avoid the "front". In WWII, do you think Britain could have benefitted from Churchill, instead of, say, Montgomery leading the troops? Of course, maybe you thought Winston had the "insane" gene, too.

To suppose either Bush or Blair is "mighty satisfied" at the prospect of sending our youngest and finest to die is, in itself, "perverse".[/b][/quote]
I certainly take on board what you&#39;re saying j2k4,and in essence I agree with you,especially regarding possible &#39;rule&#39; by the military

We mustn&#39;t forget,however,that both the UK,and eventually The USA,were under attack themselves during WWII,and we were fighting an invading force in Europe,which seems pretty much how the coalition forces are perceived throughout much of the Arab world,and other many other areas of the world in general today.

Winston Churchill,who was a military man himself,and who had visited troops in the field on many occasions,suffered a landslide defeat in the first general election following WWII,because people had supported the action against the nazis & japanese,but realised,despite their massive sacrifices,that life at &#39;home&#39; wasn&#39;t going to improve for them,as they so rightly deserved.

I don&#39;t believe either of the leaders of the main coalition forces would fit either bill,and I believe their actions are going to bring a lifetime of instability and paranoia to their nations regarding terrorism,if that hasn&#39;t happened already.

Just to put my original point in some perspective,I certainly believe Madass Hussein is a tyrannical despot who needs to be deposed,but Arab/Middle-Eastern values are so utterly different from the comfortable Western values we are privileged to live under,and to expect them to suddenly forget thousands of years of culture/lifestyle is to be naive in the extreme,and some of the media reports are pandering to that naivete with a new level of misinformation/cynicism not seen (in the UK) before.

I&#39;d like to point out also,that I now fully support,in principle,our troops engaged in hostilities throughout Iraq,but my deepest reservations regarding the conflict,and the repercussions remain.

[j2k4]

Originally posted by DiogenesUK+28 March 2003 - 12:06--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DiogenesUK @ 28 March 2003 - 12:06)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by -j2k4@27 March 2003 - 20:54
<!--QuoteBegin--DiogenesUK

@27 March 2003 - 15:19
I&#39;d give the whole shebang (&#33;&#33;&#33 a lot more credibility if Butch & Blur had the courage of their convictions,and were prepared to put themselves in the vanguard of the fighting,much like leaders did at one time.

It must be mighty satisfying,in some perverse way,to send your youngest & finest to die,whilst you cavort around the media,thousands of miles away, pretending to be the hard man.

I also happen to think,as the media here pointed out,that Butch is more likely to be Blur&#39;s Rottweiller,after all,he drools & slavers like one,and appears to have that required insane gene just barely lurking beneath the surface.

Just watch his eyes next time he&#39;s on telly

If leaders and soldiers were in any way interchangeable, we could be governed by our armies, then?
Leaders are (in modern times anyway) SUPPOSED to avoid the "front". In WWII, do you think Britain could have benefitted from Churchill, instead of, say, Montgomery leading the troops? Of course, maybe you thought Winston had the "insane" gene, too.

To suppose either Bush or Blair is "mighty satisfied" at the prospect of sending our youngest and finest to die is, in itself, "perverse".

I certainly take on board what you&#39;re saying j2k4,and in essence I agree with you,especially regarding possible &#39;rule&#39; by the military

We mustn&#39;t forget,however,that both the UK,and eventually The USA,were under attack themselves during WWII,and we were fighting an invading force in Europe,which seems pretty much how the coalition forces are perceived throughout much of the Arab world,and other many other areas of the world in general today.

Winston Churchill,who was a military man himself,and who had visited troops in the field on many occasions,suffered a landslide defeat in the first general election following WWII,because people had supported the action against the nazis & japanese,but realised,despite their massive sacrifices,that life at &#39;home&#39; wasn&#39;t going to improve for them,as they so rightly deserved.

I don&#39;t believe either of the leaders of the main coalition forces would fit either bill,and I believe their actions are going to bring a lifetime of instability and paranoia to their nations regarding terrorism,if that hasn&#39;t happened already.

Just to put my original point in some perspective,I certainly believe Madass Hussein is a tyrannical despot who needs to be deposed,but Arab/Middle-Eastern values are so utterly different from the comfortable Western values we are privileged to live under,and to expect them to suddenly forget thousands of years of culture/lifestyle is to be naive in the extreme,and some of the media reports are pandering to that naivete with a new level of misinformation/cynicism not seen (in the UK) before.

I&#39;d like to point out also,that I now fully support,in principle,our troops engaged in hostilities throughout Iraq,but my deepest reservations regarding the conflict,and the repercussions remain. [/b][/quote]
Well enough put-
I am aware of Churchill&#39;s history as re: his military service; I feel his succession to primacy after Chamberlain&#39;s failure is the vindication of his foresight. That the Brits were plunged right back into the inferno was, sadly, unavoidable, and history shows that Sir Winston was not unanguished.

I do see Saddam as potentially being this generation&#39;s Hitler; the only question is, where along the developmental timeline does he fall? Even granting that Saddam is 65 years of age, he was going to continue to provoke.
If we had seen fit to stop Hitler after the Sudetenland and his various "leibensraum" quests, I don&#39;t doubt some, (surely Chamberlain amongst them) would have seen that as an invasion.

Slings and arrows are often the payment for preventive measures.
This is proven, fomented, and exacerbated by the media.

As for our future prospects re: terrorism, I fear THAT die was cast a while ago, and we have nothing to lose by attacking the problem any way we deem sensible.
Any other repercussions will have to be dealt with as they arise.

I am not pro-war. I am anti-Saddam.

For what it&#39;s worth.

[DiogenesUK]

I thank you j2k4 for your undoubtedly knowledgable reply,and feel I can confirm,without meaning to sound too presumtuous or sycophantic,that we&#39;re essentially on the same &#39;side of the fence&#39; regarding this matter.

I wonder what Zardoz would make of all this &#33;&#33;&#33;




Keep it real,I wish you all the best.



DiogenesUK

[j2k4]

Originally posted by DiogenesUK@28 March 2003 - 21:09
I thank you j2k4 for your undoubtedly knowledgable reply,and feel I can confirm,without meaning to sound too presumtuous or sycophantic,that we&#39;re essentially on the same &#39;side of the fence&#39; regarding this matter.

I wonder what Zardoz would make of all this &#33;&#33;&#33; &nbsp;




Keep it real,I wish you all the best.



DiogenesUK

I thank YOU for your kind words-

Zardoz would make a hash of this, but that is all. B)


Best to you.

[RIPPERX21]

hey I guess then Blair is a real good butt-kisser&#33;

[j2k4]

Originally posted by RIPPERX21@28 March 2003 - 23:09
hey I guess then Blair is a real good butt-kisser&#33;

I can&#39;t speak to, nor can I discern, your point.

In all non-seriousness, he may be-I just can&#39;t say.

[RIPPERX21]

I wonder. Why aren&#39;t the families of the dead soldiers, trying to kill Bush.

[Spindulik]

A message to President Bush. Our marines are getting killed every day at Iraq&#33; Can&#39;t you see that Saddam&#39;s terrorists, I mean army, are ictching for a nuclear bomb? Just give it to them&#33;

Human shields, suicide bombers, wearing bogus American uniforms, acting like civilians, spraying bullets into the civilian crowds, mindless shooting missles, setting fire etc... These thugs are a bunch of assholes, and they need to be treated the same.

Their country my ass&#33; It is my planet (and all of the people&#39;s too) and I don&#39;t tolerate Saddam&#39;s assholes fucking up other people on my planet&#33;

[RIPPERX21]

Originally posted by Spindulik@29 March 2003 - 13:48
A message to President Bush. Our marines are getting killed every day at Iraq&#33; Can&#39;t you see that Saddam&#39;s terrorists, I mean army, are ictching for a nuclear bomb? Just give it to them&#33;

Human shields, suicide bombers, wearing bogus American uniforms, acting like civilians, spraying bullets into the civilian crowds, mindless shooting missles, setting fire etc... These thugs are a bunch of assholes, and they need to be treated the same.

Their country my ass&#33; It is my planet (and all of the people&#39;s too) and I don&#39;t tolerate Saddam&#39;s assholes fucking up other people on my planet&#33;

Hey dude don&#39;t take this the wrong way or anything, but they have human rights ya know.

[Spindulik]

Originally posted by RIPPERX21@29 March 2003 - 14:02

Hey dude don&#39;t take this the wrong way or anything, but they have human rights ya know.

I know what you mean. But my God, it feels like it is getting too much. I want it all to be over.

Yeah, they have human rights too. Nobody said they couldn&#39;t have them, we just want them to be humane to other humans too.