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    to make a detonator for

    I agree... A Detonator is not a Nuclear Weapon.

    That is just plain scaremongering

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    Quote Originally Posted by hobbes
    From the BBC.

    Since Iraq has no nuclear weapons, why would the BBC make such an inane statement. Are they to conjure one from prayer.

    It seems that WMD are potentially present or definitely absent based on the agenda of the aspiring author.
    well they have many uses...i think the WMD link is being put to make the missing explosives seem "more dangerous" by giving a worse case scenario.
    That said it could be taken out of the country to a place where it could be used in WMD....ironically the very thing we were supposed to have stopped.
    I would say they would be more likely used for car bombs etc. The opposing side is very adaptable and evolves constantly in their tactics.

    Much of the arguement about the mismanagement was that a country once contained has been turned into a ticking out of control bomb with a lit fuse

    Explosives can be made from everyday items found in supermarkets if one has the knowledge. so if 200 lbs of fertilizer is stolen i guess a theory would be put that it was to make a bomb.

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    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,136761,00.html


    something jumped up at me whilst reading this story...
    "A political candidate who jumps to conclusion without knowing the facts is not a person you want as your commander in chief," the president said in a speech in Lititz, Pa.
    a kind of ironic quote from bush seeing as he didn't actually have the "facts" before going into Iraq

    it’s an election with no Democrats, in one of the whitest states in the union, where rich candidates pay $35 for your votes. Or, as Republicans call it, their vision for the future.

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    Here's another little peice to this puzzle... the credibility of which I leave to the reader.....

    Mohammed al-Sharaa, who heads the science ministry's site monitoring department and worked with UN weapons inspectors under Saddam, said "it is impossible that these materials could have been taken from this site before the regime's fall."


    He said he and other officials had been ordered a month earlier to insure that "not even a shred of paper left the sites." "The officials that were inside this facility (Al-Qaqaa) beforehand confirm that not even a shred of paper left it before the fall and I spoke to them about it and they even issued certified statements to this effect which the US-led coalition was aware of."
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    Just a side not scroff, but I think Bush has infilterated your signature and screwed up the address to your web site in a painly obvious attempt to thwart you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comic_Peddler
    Just a side not scroff, but I think Bush has infilterated your signature and screwed up the address to your web site in a painly obvious attempt to thwart you.
    Zounds! Those evil republican gremlins have struck again!

    Fixing it now Thanks for the heads up...
    Ancient Bush family proverb; Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day... drown him in the lake and he'll never be hungry again.

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    BAGHDAD, Iraq, Oct. 27 - Looters stormed the weapons site at Al Qaqaa in the days after American troops swept through the area in early April 2003 on their way to Baghdad, gutting office buildings, carrying off munitions and even dismantling heavy machinery, three Iraqi witnesses and a regional security chief said Wednesday.

    The Iraqis described an orgy of theft so extensive that enterprising residents rented their trucks to looters. But some looting was clearly indiscriminate, with people grabbing anything they could find and later heaving unwanted items off the trucks.

    Two witnesses were employees of Al Qaqaa - one a chemical engineer and the other a mechanic - and the third was a former employee, a chemist, who had come back to retrieve his records, determined to keep them out of American hands. The mechanic, Ahmed Saleh Mezher, said employees asked the Americans to protect the site but were told this was not the soldiers' responsibility.

    The accounts do not directly address the question of when 380 tons of powerful conventional explosives vanished from the site sometime after early March, the last time international inspectors checked the seals on the bunkers where the material was stored. It is possible that Iraqi forces removed some explosives before the invasion.

    But the accounts make clear that what set off much if not all of the looting was the arrival and swift departure of American troops, who did not secure the site after inducing the Iraqi forces to abandon it.

    "The looting started after the collapse of the regime," said Wathiq al-Dulaimi, a regional security chief, who was based nearby in Latifiya. But once it had begun, he said, the booty streamed toward Baghdad.

    Earlier this month, on Oct. 10, the directorate of national monitoring at the Ministry of Science and Technology notified the International Atomic Energy Agency that the explosives, which are used in demolition and missiles and are the raw material for plastic explosives, were missing. The agency has monitored the explosives because they can also be used as the initiator of an atomic bomb.

    Agency officials examined the explosives in January 2003 and noted in early March that their seals were still in place. On April 3, the Third Infantry Division arrived with the first American troops.

    Chris Anderson, a photographer for U.S. News and World Report who was with the division's Second Brigade, recalled that the area was jammed with American armor on April 3 and 4, which he believed made the removal of the explosives unlikely. "It would be quite improbable for this amount of weapons to be looted at that time because of the traffic jam of armor," he said.

    The brigade blew up numerous caches of arms throughout the area, he said. Mr. Anderson said he did not enter the munitions compound.

    The Second Brigade of the 101st Airborne Division arrived outside the site on April 10, under the command of Col. Joseph Anderson. The brigade had been ordered to move quickly to Baghdad because of civil disorder there after Mr. Hussein's government fell on April 9.

    They gathered at Al Qaqaa, about 30 miles south, simply as a matter of convenience, Colonel Anderson said in an interview this week. He said that when he arrived at the site - unaware of its significance - he saw no signs of looting, but was not paying close attention.

    Because he thought the brigade would be moving on to Baghdad within hours, Al Qaqaa was of no importance to his mission, he said, and he was unaware of the explosives that international inspectors said were hidden inside.

    Pentagon officials said Wednesday that analysts were examining surveillance photographs of the munitions site. But they expressed doubts that the photographs, which showed vehicles at the location on several occasions early in the conflict, before American troops moved through the area, would be able to indicate conclusively when the explosives were removed.

    Col. David Perkins, who commanded the Second Brigade of the Third Infantry Division, called it "very highly improbable" that 380 tons of explosives could have been trucked out of Al Qaqaa in the weeks after American troops arrived.

    Moving that much material, said Colonel Perkins, who spoke Wednesday to news agencies and cable television, "would have required dozens of heavy trucks and equipment moving along the same roadways as U.S. combat divisions occupied continually for weeks."

    He conceded that some looting of the site had taken place. But a chemical engineer who worked at Al Qaqaa and identified himself only as Khalid said that once troops left the base itself, people streamed in to steal computers and anything else of value from the offices. They also took munitions like artillery shells, he said.

    Mr. Mezher, the mechanic, said it took the looters about two weeks to disassemble heavy machinery at the site and carry that off after the smaller items were gone.

    James Glanz reported from Baghdad for this article and Jim Dwyer from New York. Ali Adeeb contributed reporting from Baghdad, and Khalid W. Hussein and Zainab Obeid fromAl Qaqaa..
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    Quote Originally Posted by vidcc
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,136761,00.html


    something jumped up at me whilst reading this story...

    "A political candidate who jumps to conclusion without knowing the facts is not a person you want as your commander in chief," the president said in a speech in Lititz, Pa.
    a kind of ironic quote from bush seeing as he didn't actually have the "facts" before going into Iraq


    I heard that last night when BBC News24 was airing ABC


    btw who does ABC favour?

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    Good question. Right wingers go on about the "liberal" media here, as far as our news stations. Personally, I totally disagree. I find them fairly conservative. Some of them are up to asking questions they should ask, however they fail to challenge the misleading statements which continue the deceptions,instead of calling them on it.
    I like Ted Kopell for the most part..he is ABC, and does a show called Nightline, after the regular news.
    Don't read what isn't there.

    anywhichway

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    BigBank_Hank, ive got a question, if this was made up to hurt bush, why not wait till a day before the election and then drop the bomb? wouldnt that do way more damage to bushes voters?

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