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Thread: New Bin Laden tape on Al Jazeera.

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    http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/new...ervice_id=5400

    What dou you think can be the influence of this on the election tuesday?



    Who might profit??


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    Osama bin Laden appeared in a new videotape, aired Friday on Aljazeera satellite channel, reading a statement to the Americans, admitting for the first time that he ordered the Sept. 11 attacks on the United States.

    Bin Laden appeared in the video with a long gray beard, wearing white robes, a turban and a golden cloak reading a statement in front of a plain, brown curtain.

    This is the first time Bin laden appears in more than a year. The videotape came four days before the U.S. presidential election.

    The FBI and Justice Department in Washington had no immediate comment on Bin Ladenís statement read in the video. Officials said one part of their analysis will focus on whether the statement implied a possible future attack against the United States. However, they said it was too early to predict.

    The date of the footage of the tape couldnít be verified, however, it did refer to next week's presidential elections in the United States.

    "We decided to destroy towers in America," bin Laden said, referring to the World Trade Center.

    "God knows that it had not occurred to our mind to attack the towers, but after our patience ran out and we saw the injustice and inflexibility of the American-Israeli alliance toward our people in Palestine and Lebanon, this came to my mind," he said.

    In his statement, Bin Laden accused President Bush of "misleading" the American people since the 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

    "Your security is not in the hands of (Democratic candidate John) Kerry or Bush or Al Qaeda. Your security is in your own hands," bin Laden said.

    "To the U.S. people, my talk is to you about the best way to avoid another disaster," he said.

    "I tell you: security is an important element of human life and free people do not give up their security."

    "If Bush says we hate freedom, let him tell us why we didn't attack Sweden, for example. It is known that those who hate freedom do not have dignified souls, like those of the 19 blessed ones," he said, referring to the 19 hijackers.

    "We fought you because we are free .. and want to regain freedom for our nation. As you undermine our security we undermine yours."
    For those that dont want to bother linking to the story.

    Yogi... You've surprised me...

    You beat us all to that one


    I cant see it having any major affect, unless it makes some people realise that Bush basically left off that crusade to start a different one and turn from him...

    On other hand, just as many will turn to Bush, as they'll worry about their security again..

    Maybe the Americans will have a better idea of how it will affect their electorate...
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    Thanks for the quote!!

    Kind in a hurry to have that scoop.............


    Your conclusion was exact the same as the dutch reporter in washington..


    I hope it will make kerry win by 500 something votes in Florida.

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    Well only the hardlined few actually believe they hate us for "our freedom", although fanatical views such as that are more readily taken to the heart than the thought that our actions might be causing someone to hate us.... they hate us for being "christian" is an often used one.
    I've long been saying in our debates that punishment alone is not the answer. we treat the symptom but the desease goes merrily along.

    itís an election with no Democrats, in one of the whitest states in the union, where rich candidates pay $35 for your votes. Or, as Republicans call it, their vision for the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yogi
    I hope it will make kerry win by 500 something votes in Florida.
    It wont make any difference who wins, Yogi. The world is run by big business and so is every 'free' leader.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigboab
    It wont make any difference who wins, Yogi. The world is run by big business and so is every 'free' leader.
    I do wonder why people call the US president "the leader of the free world" when much of the free world has recently shown clearly he is not.

    itís an election with no Democrats, in one of the whitest states in the union, where rich candidates pay $35 for your votes. Or, as Republicans call it, their vision for the future.

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    I don't think it will effect the election at all. Below, I've added the text of the tape, however Al-jazeera did not air the complete tape. I just heard that mention was made of the US casualties being over 1000.


    Full text: 'Bin Laden tape'
    An audiotape purported to be from Osama Bin Laden has been broadcast by the pan-Arab al-Arabiya and al-Jazeera satellite channels. In the tape the voice offers conditional reconciliation with Europe.

    The following is the text of the tape as broadcast by al-Arabiya:

    Praise be to Almighty God; Peace and prayers be upon our Prophet Muhammad, his family, and companions.

    This is a message to our neighbours north of the Mediterranean, containing a reconciliation initiative as a response to their positive reactions.

    Praise be to God; praise be to God; praise be to God who created heaven and earth with justice and who allowed the oppressed to punish the oppressor in the same way.

    Peace upon those who followed the right path:

    'Oppression kills the oppressors'

    In my hands there is a message to remind you that justice is a duty towards those whom you love and those whom you do not. And people's rights will not be harmed if the opponent speaks out about them.

    The greatest rule of safety is justice, and stopping injustice and aggression. It was said: Oppression kills the oppressors and the hotbed of injustice is evil. The situation in occupied Palestine is an example. What happened on 11 September [2001] and 11 March [the Madrid train bombings] is your commodity that was returned to you.

    It is known that security is a pressing necessity for all mankind. We do not agree that you should monopolise it only for yourselves. Also, vigilant people do not allow their politicians to tamper with their security.

    Having said this, we would like to inform you that labelling us and our acts as terrorism is also a description of you and of your acts. Reaction comes at the same level as the original action. Our acts are reaction to your own acts, which are represented by the destruction and killing of our kinfolk in Afghanistan, Iraq and Palestine.

    The act that horrified the world; that is, the killing of the old, handicapped [Hamas spiritual leader] Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, may God have mercy on him, is sufficient evidence.

    We pledge to God that we will punish America for him, God willing.

    Which religion considers your killed ones innocent and our killed ones worthless? And which principle considers your blood real blood and our blood water? Reciprocal treatment is fair and the one who starts injustice bears greater blame.

    'Bloodsuckers'

    As for your politicians and those who have followed their path, who insist on ignoring the real problem of occupying the entirety of Palestine and exaggerate lies and falsification regarding our right in defence and resistance, they do not respect themselves.

    They also disdain the blood and minds of peoples. This is because their falsification increases the shedding of your blood instead of sparing it.

    Moreover, the examining of the developments that have been taking place, in terms of killings in our countries and your countries, will make clear an important fact; namely, that injustice is inflicted on us and on you by your politicians, who send your sons - although you are opposed to this - to our countries to kill and be killed.

    Therefore, it is in both sides' interest to curb the plans of those who shed the blood of peoples for their narrow personal interest and subservience to the White House gang.


    The Zionist lobby is one of the most dangerous and most difficult figures of this group. God willing, we are determined to fight them.


    We must take into consideration that this war brings billions of dollars in profit to the major companies, whether it be those that produce weapons or those that contribute to reconstruction, such as the Halliburton Company, its sisters and daughters.
    Based on this, it is very clear who is the one benefiting from igniting this war and from the shedding of blood. It is the warlords, the bloodsuckers, who are steering the world policy from behind a curtain.

    As for President Bush, the leaders who are revolving in his orbit, the leading media companies and the United Nations, which makes laws for relations between the masters of veto and the slaves of the General Assembly, these are only some of the tools used to deceive and exploit peoples.

    All these pose a fatal threat to the whole world.

    The Zionist lobby is one of the most dangerous and most difficult figures of this group. God willing, we are determined to fight them.

    'Reconciliation initiative'

    Based on the above, and in order to deny war merchants a chance and in response to the positive interaction shown by recent events and opinion polls, which indicate that most European peoples want peace, I ask honest people, especially ulema, preachers and merchants, to form a permanent committee to enlighten European peoples of the justice of our causes, above all Palestine. They can make use of the huge potential of the media.


    The door of reconciliation is open for three months of the date of announcing this statement.


    I also offer a reconciliation initiative to them, whose essence is our commitment to stopping operations against every country that commits itself to not attacking Muslims or interfering in their affairs - including the US conspiracy on the greater Muslim world.
    This reconciliation can be renewed once the period signed by the first government expires and a second government is formed with the consent of both parties.

    The reconciliation will start with the departure of its last soldier from our country.

    The door of reconciliation is open for three months of the date of announcing this statement.

    For those who reject reconciliation and want war, we are ready.

    As for those who want reconciliation, we have given them a chance. Stop shedding our blood so as to preserve your blood. It is in your hands to apply this easy, yet difficult, formula. You know that the situation will expand and increase if you delay things.

    If this happens, do not blame us - blame yourselves.

    A rational person does not relinquish his security, money and children to please the liar of the White House.

    Had he been truthful about his claim for peace, he would not describe the person who ripped open pregnant women in Sabra and Shatila [reference to Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon] and the destroyer of the capitulation process [reference to the Palestinian-Israeli peace process] as a man of peace.


    Reality proves our truthfulness and his [George Bush's] lie.


    He also would not have lied to people and said that we hate freedom and kill for the sake of killing. Reality proves our truthfulness and his lie.
    The killing of the Russians was after their invasion of Afghanistan and Chechnya; the killing of Europeans was after their invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan; and the killing of Americans on the day of New York [reference to 11 September] was after their support of the Jews in Palestine and their invasion of the Arabian Peninsula.

    Also, killing them in Somalia was after their invasion of it in Operation Restore Hope. We made them leave without hope, praise be to God.

    It is said that prevention is better than cure. A happy person is he who learns a lesson from the experience of others.

    Heeding right is better than persisting in falsehood.

    Peace be upon those who follow guidance.
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    If you take out all the praise gods and peace be withs... he's right.

    It could have an effect on many peoples votes, those precious undecideds...
    Ancient Bush family proverb; Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day... drown him in the lake and he'll never be hungry again.

    Any Which Way.... because there's more to it than Fox tells you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigboab
    It wont make any difference who wins, Yogi. The world is run by big business and so is every 'free' leader.
    Couldn't agree more.

    However, i think the world is better off without bush.

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    However, i think the world is better off without bush
    Amen!
    Ancient Bush family proverb; Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day... drown him in the lake and he'll never be hungry again.

    Any Which Way.... because there's more to it than Fox tells you.

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