Are you Glad Bush won?

[Busyman]

Sorry...

This must have confused me

Didn't realize this was a private conversation...
I'll shut up now...

Scroff, if you choose not to read further than that one sentence than what can I say?

Were you being coy or just snippet reading?

Since vid has nothing further to add besides, "I can't change so how can they" and has nothing else behind his opinion, what yours?

It's not a private convo since it wasn't a pm.

I'm hanging up the OPEN sign.

Folk's definition of what choice is seems to be different from how it applies to the "I can't help myself" syndrome. Can't help yourself?

Must be genetic.

[scroff]

Scroff, if you choose not to read further than that one sentence than what can I say?

Were you being coy or just snippet reading?

I read further. It appears to me you feel it's a choice. Nevertheless my comment about choosing to get a woody when you see Tom Cruise was just that, a comment.

Since vid has nothing further to add besides, "I can't change so how can they" and has nothing else behind his opinion, what yours?

It's not a private convo since it wasn't a pm.

I'm hanging up the OPEN sign.

Folk's definition of what choice is seems to be different from how it applies to the "I can't help myself" syndrome. Can't help yourself?

Must be genetic.

Well of course they have a choice, just as you have a choice to sleep with a man or a woman. It's not a matter of "Can't help myself," it's more a matter of "why should I help myself?"

I think a "heterosexual" man might find sleeping with a woman more to his liking, but he could choose to sleep with a man. But no matter how long he did it, he'd still rather be with a woman.

There's nothing genetic about it, no more than there is for heterosexuals. It can't be handed down from generation to generation like blue eyes or heart disease.

Societies effect is more on how people view LGBT, thus indirectly it effects LGBT. Society tells us it's un-natural, and the more Christian the society, the more un-natural, it seems to me.

Sexuality is not an either/or proposition, people aren't either gay or straight, it's more of a sliding scale. Homophobia (I'm not accusing you here) is not fear of homosexuals, it's fear that you (the general you) might be gay, might be a little further along on that scale than you would like. Why wouldn't you want to be further along that scale? Because of society's view of homosexuality and it's effect on you (again, the general you).

In different societies, and in different times throughout history, homosexuality has been accepted.

Some people like chocolate, some people like vanilla... and some people like strawberry... what's the big deal?

You asked...

[Rat Faced]

is as much choice as you choosing what woman that you find attractive.

I have a choice?

[Busyman]

I read further. It appears to me you feel it's a choice. Nevertheless my comment about choosing to get a woody when you see Tom Cruise was just that, a comment.

Well of course they have a choice, just as you have a choice to sleep with a man or a woman. It's not a matter of "Can't help myself," it's more a matter of "why should I help myself?"

I think a "heterosexual" man might find sleeping with a woman more to his liking, but he could choose to sleep with a man. But no matter how long he did it, he'd still rather be with a woman.

There's nothing genetic about it, no more than there is for heterosexuals. It can't be handed down from generation to generation like blue eyes or heart disease.

Societies effect is more on how people view LGBT, thus indirectly it effects LGBT. Society tells us it's un-natural, and the more Christian the society, the more un-natural, it seems to me.

Sexuality is not an either/or proposition, people aren't either gay or straight, it's more of a sliding scale. Homophobia (I'm not accusing you here) is not fear of homosexuals, it's fear that you (the general you) might be gay, might be a little further along on that scale than you would like. Why wouldn't you want to be further along that scale? Because of society's view of homosexuality and it's effect on you (again, the general you).

In different societies, and in different times throughout history, homosexuality has been accepted.

Some people like chocolate, some people like vanilla... and some people like strawberry... what's the big deal?

You asked...

It's cool. Sounds like you agree.

[Busyman]

I have a choice?

Refer to scroff's earlier comment.

Example I happen to dislike skinny women. Thicker women with phat ass happen to give me a woody.

I have a choice in who I sleep with but I get wood when see a woman with phat ass. I could say I chose to get wood but we both know that's not case, right?

[Rat Faced]

Thats what i meant..

I have no choice in what type of woman "Turns me on"..

This is why i accept that it may well be the same for Gays... they dont "Choose" to be turned on by people of the same sex, it happens.

[vidcc]

Scroff,

Since vid has nothing further to add besides, "I can't change so how can they" and has nothing else behind his opinion,

I have lots more behind my opinion. I just don't see why i should have to go round in circles. You are not going to change your opinion on it and i am not going to change mine.

EVERY arguement you come up with has an equally valid counter. Same goes with every arguement i come up with.

AS I SAID IT'S ALL JUST OPINION.... NOT ONE SHRED OF ACTUAL PROOF.

[Arm]

Bush didn't win. Instead of Florida being the main state of the rigged election it was Ohio.

[Busyman]

I have lots more behind my opinion. I just don't see why i should have to go round in circles. You are not going to change your opinion on it and i am not going to change mine.

EVERY arguement you come up with has an equally valid counter. Same goes with every arguement i come up with.

AS I SAID IT'S ALL JUST OPINION.... NOT ONE SHRED OF ACTUAL PROOF.

Soooo...you have nothing further to add. Glad we agree.

[Busyman]

Thats what i meant..

I have no choice in what type of woman "Turns me on"..

This is why i accept that it may well be the same for Gays... they dont "Choose" to be turned on by people of the same sex, it happens.

Good, now to go further...

Let's say you are turned on by skinny white women.

Were you born that way?

Nature or nurture?

I, for one, wasn't born to like women with phat ass. I grew up around it, maybe other fellas ogled it, who knows?

At the same time there are fellas that are around phat ass all the time and prefer the skinny women.

Now imagine a scientist who says that hmmm men that like voluptuous women have an enlarged corpuswhateverthefuck and those that like skinny women have small ones. We have a study of 500 men that says so.

Aww man I said I liked phat ass all this time because everyone else did. Now I'm coming about to say I like skinny women. I must have had a small corpuswhateverthefuck all along. My friend likes voluptuous and skinny women, he must have a medium sized corpuswhateverthefuck.

Everyone's preferences have a chemical signature, didn'tcha know?