The Death of Fallujah

[Riordan]

I'm not sure if you are aware that there was a half a year warning period for those civilians to get the hell out of there? Assistance provided.

No... of course not. Not that it would matter, you'd rather 10,000,000 civilian iraqis die by their own horrid leader then the evil doers and couple thousand civilians, right?

Why don't you go complain about cigarettes? They kill more innocent civilians then any american military can kill, and not to mention they are more evil. While you're at it, complain about countries that actually have big issues, like China.

The only reason Iraqis can drive, use cell phones, drink clean water, eat, and enjoy themselves is because of us. Isnt it amaizing how Iraq is the only other country that would have re-elected president Bush?

[ruthie]

Evil doers?

[scroff]

I'm not sure if you are aware that there was a half a year warning period for those civilians to get the hell out of there? Assistance provided.

Warning? You mean like "Get the hell out of there, 'cause we're going to level your city!" Like that? Where were they going to go? Ramallah? Baghdad? I know, how about Iran and Syria!

I wonder how many of the people they call "insurgents" were just people who want to defend their home from the "liberators"?

"Look at all these dead insurgents!"
"How can you tell they're insurgents?"
"Well, jeez, that's a stupid question... they're dead!"

No... of course not. Not that it would matter, you'd rather 10,000,000 civilian iraqis die by their own horrid leader then the evil doers and couple thousand civilians, right?

I'd really like to see a citation for that 10,000,000 number, please. Are you aware that most of the deaths that did occur under Hussein occured under the US Presidents Reagan and Bush? That Rumsfeld even knew it was going on but said nothing at the time? No... of course not.

Why don't you go complain about cigarettes? They kill more innocent civilians then any american military can kill, and not to mention they are more evil. While you're at it, complain about countries that actually have big issues, like China.

People have a choice to smoke, they don't have much of a choice being born Iraqi. When people start tying folks up and stuffing cigarettes in their mouths, I'll complain about cigarettes.

Are you referring to the same China with which Bush is so eager to do business that he sent Powell there to reassure them that we won't support sovereignty in Taiwan? That China? So much for spreading democracy, eh?

The only reason Iraqis can drive, use cell phones, drink clean water, eat, and enjoy themselves is because of us. Isnt it amaizing how Iraq is the only other country that would have re-elected president Bush?

Um, the Iraqis haven't had a whole lot of clean water lately, or electricity, or, I would guess, enjoyment either... the country is in the throes of a war.

I'd also like to see a citation for that Iraqi vote, too, please. Last I heard, "according to a mid-October survey conducted by Baghdad's Center for Research and Strategic Studies, about 21 percent of Iraqis polled favor John Kerry for president. Some 17 percent want four more years of Bush. But, with a built-in four percent margin of error, the two candidates might well be in a dead heat in Iraq, too. Over 60% don't care one way or another because they don't think it matters all that much for them.

Btw, before you hear it from sombody else... I'm ruthies ol' man, we have a sickening agenda, a propagandist site, and uh, oh yea, welcome to the forum...

[cpt_azad]

amen scroff good post. for all those that think the iraqi's love you guys for supposedly liberating them, well then, why not go to Iraq and accept their humble opinions.

[Riordan]

Warning? You mean like "Get the hell out of there, 'cause we're going to level your city!" Like that? Where were they going to go? Ramallah? Baghdad? I know, how about Iran and Syria!

Yes, that's correct. Where are they are going to go? Simple... To a safer city the US military has occupied.

I wonder how many of the people they call "insurgents" were just people who want to defend their home from the "liberators"?

"Look at all these dead insurgents!"
"How can you tell they're insurgents?"
"Well, jeez, that's a stupid question... they're dead!"

I'm not even sure how to approach your flawed propogated logic.
Lets see if we can over over a little scenario.

You have a massive army that comes to your city and says to you, anyone that wants to leave can leave right now. You will be able to come back to your homes and we will rebuild your city. Insurgents (TERRORISTS) will be killed.

So, you have this option to NOT die, yet, you're telling me, they want to stay and fight for... what reason?

The reason they gave so much opportunity for them to leave is that, as a military, you can't go into a heated warzone like fallujah and knock on every door, and check to see if they are civilians. The tactics of the terrorists are to look like civilians, then popup and shoot our men. They pretend to be the wounded, the weak, the scared, and then simply pop up and kill us. So, what do you do?

All the civilians have already left the city, the only people left are the evil insurgents (and the hostages that they didn't let leave,that don't want to fight) that want to fight to kill the Americans. All the people that want to leave, live, and come back to their new city without terrorists, have done so.

I'd really like to see a citation for that 10,000,000 number, please. Are you aware that most of the deaths that did occur under Hussein occured under the US Presidents Reagan and Bush? That Rumsfeld even knew it was going on but said nothing at the time? No... of course not.

Over the many years of Sadaam's rule, he had many, many, many rape/torture rooms. The towers that surrounded the towns would rain bullets over the people, killing many, all for fun. Sadaam's children would ruin weddings, rape the wives, and kill the husband. There were factories with mounds and mounds of bones burried and piled everywhere. You act like you would make it ok with the war if they went in there sooner. If they went in there sooner like your complaining, you'd be spouting the same damn anti-american crap I hear everywhere. Lets ask ourselves, why did it take so long anyway? Diplomacy, thats why. More then 12 years of diplomacy that the security council of the UN (which most, if not all, had illegal food for oil contracts with Iraq) houded for and wanted more of. America's fault? Hardly.

People have a choice to smoke, they don't have much of a choice being born Iraqi. When people start tying folks up and stuffing cigarettes in their mouths, I'll complain about cigarettes.

People have a choice to leave or stay in the city and die. Now lets say staying in the city is not smoking, and staying is smoking. Smoke a cigarette, you're hooked until it kills you. Some get away and don't die. Same with falluja. The only difference is that cigarettes kill more people a day then have died in this war. Let's not forget that cigarette companies pound lots of advertising, and theres also that peer pressure thing.

Um, the Iraqis haven't had a whole lot of clean water lately, or electricity, or, I would guess, enjoyment either... the country is in the throes of a war.

Uh, wrong. There are a lot of places we have rebuilt/or are rebuilding in which they have a lot of that. Places where schools are up and running and everything is loppipops and rainbows, which I know you like. The only damage being done is from the 'innocent insurgents' blowing up civilians and killing the US marines every now and then (which isn't everywhere now, mind you)

I'd also like to see a citation for that Iraqi vote, too, please. Last I heard, "according to a mid-October survey conducted by Baghdad's Center for Research and Strategic Studies, about 21 percent of Iraqis polled favor John Kerry for president. Some 17 percent want four more years of Bush. But, with a built-in four percent margin of error, the two candidates might well be in a dead heat in Iraq, too. Over 60% don't care one way or another because they don't think it matters all that much for them.

I'm having troubles finding it right now, it's lost underneath all the 'AMERICANS SHOULD DIE' crap on the internet. I'll get it sometime later today though, I have school soon and such, so I'll have to dig it up when I can.

Btw, before you hear it from sombody else... I'm ruthies ol' man, we have a sickening agenda, a propagandist site, and uh, oh yea, welcome to the forum...

Thanks .

[Rat Faced]

Yes, that's correct. Where are they are going to go? Simple... To a safer city the US military has occupied.

And what about all the males between 15 and 55 that were being turned back into the city by the US military? What were they supposed to do?


I'm not even sure how to approach your flawed propogated logic.
Lets see if we can over over a little scenario.

You have a massive army that comes to your city and says to you, anyone that wants to leave can leave right now. You will be able to come back to your homes and we will rebuild your city. Insurgents (TERRORISTS) will be killed.

So, you have this option to NOT die, yet, you're telling me, they want to stay and fight for... what reason?

D'oh... Coz all Males between 15-55 were turned back by the Military, and some Wives/Daughters wouldnt leave their families if the could. Why are you trying to judge, yet again, someone elses beliefs in terms of your own? In addition the insurgents were putting a lot of pressure on some not to leave.

The reason they gave so much opportunity for them to leave is that, as a military, you can't go into a heated warzone like fallujah and knock on every door, and check to see if they are civilians. The tactics of the terrorists are to look like civilians, then popup and shoot our men. They pretend to be the wounded, the weak, the scared, and then simply pop up and kill us. So, what do you do?

All the civilians have already left the city, the only people left are the evil insurgents (and the hostages that they didn't let leave,that don't want to fight) that want to fight to kill the Americans. All the people that want to leave, live, and come back to their new city without terrorists, have done so.

Except they arent, are they? Unless every Male that was an inhabitant of the city between 15-55 are evil. D'oh


Over the many years of Sadaam's rule, he had many, many, many rape/torture rooms. The towers that surrounded the towns would rain bullets over the people, killing many, all for fun. Sadaam's children would ruin weddings, rape the wives, and kill the husband. There were factories with mounds and mounds of bones burried and piled everywhere. You act like you would make it ok with the war if they went in there sooner. If they went in there sooner like your complaining, you'd be spouting the same damn anti-american crap I hear everywhere. Lets ask ourselves, why did it take so long anyway? Diplomacy, thats why. More then 12 years of diplomacy that the security council of the UN (which most, if not all, had illegal food for oil contracts with Iraq) houded for and wanted more of. America's fault? Hardly.

Last point... Saddam, in all his years, never managed to kill as many people there as the UK/US have since Desert Storm. Both Directly by bombing, and indirectly through the targets of those bombs (Such as Water Purification Plants), Depleted Uranium used during Desert Storm and the denial of Basic Medical Supplies to treat the above and the more common Diseases and Injuries that strike in this type of country.

People have a choice to leave or stay in the city and die. Now lets say staying in the city is not smoking, and staying is smoking. Smoke a cigarette, you're hooked until it kills you. Some get away and don't die. Same with falluja. The only difference is that cigarettes kill more people a day then have died in this war. Let's not forget that cigarette companies pound lots of advertising, and theres also that peer pressure thing.

They havent got a choice. They cant Leave..and the US wont allow the supplies in.. some are now Starving to death... not their fault.


Uh, wrong. There are a lot of places we have rebuilt/or are rebuilding in which they have a lot of that. Places where schools are up and running and everything is loppipops and rainbows, which I know you like. The only damage being done is from the 'innocent insurgents' blowing up civilians and killing the US marines every now and then (which isn't everywhere now, mind you)

Then why is insurgency RISING instead of FALLING?

I'm having troubles finding it right now, it's lost underneath all the 'AMERICANS SHOULD DIE' crap on the internet. I'll get it sometime later today though, I have school soon and such, so I'll have to dig it up when I can.


Thanks .

Enjoy school....

[lynx]

"Look at all these dead insurgents!"
"How can you tell they're insurgents?"
"Well, jeez, that's a stupid question... they're dead!"

"This one's still breathing."
"He's bluffing - he's already dead".
BANG
"Well, he's dead now".

[spinningfreemanny]

"This one's still breathing."
"He's bluffing - he's already dead".
BANG
"Well, he's dead now".

No matter that the terrorist regularly boobytrap near dead bodies so the near dead can blow up on command... I can see why he was shot.

EDIT: I'm insinuating that you are referring to the young marine who shot the wounded Iraqi in a mosque.

[bigboab]

Apparently the US soldier had been wounded a couple of days prior. I can fully understand the situation. The kid should not have been put in this situation so soon.

[Rat Faced]

Im just waiting for more women to be taken by the insurgents, and then kids...

Their own have been killed afterall, yet they've stuck to men and one woman