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    I'm about to write a college essay about Gay Marriage. Before I start to write my paper, I wanted to do some research both sides of the topic. My problem is that my local library has all relevant books on it already checked out.

    I've been looking through some websites, but a lot of them look very one sided. Does anyone know of a good reference that has a fair opinion on one or both sides of the issue (For or Against Gay Marriage)?

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  2. The Drawing Room   -   #2
    Quote Originally Posted by lightshow
    I'm about to write a college essay about Gay Marriage. Before I start to write my paper, I wanted to do some research both sides of the topic. My problem is that my local library has all relevant books on it already checked out.

    I've been looking through some websites, but a lot of them look very one sided. Does anyone know of a good reference that has a fair opinion on one or both sides of the issue (For or Against Gay Marriage)?

    Thanks,

    Drew
    One question you might address is why a gay marriage needs a vote to be approved.

    Isn't that a basic human right of "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"?

    We may vote that black men cannot marry white women and that would pass because the majority of people are prejudice. That completely violates the right of a black man and a white woman to marry whom they please.

    There should never be a vote to "legalize" gay marriages, this is a persons civil right.

    The sticky wicket is the term "marraige". Some think that this is defined as a union between a man and a woman, exclusively.

    That is fine really.

    Gay people want legally recognized unions that grant the same rights and portability as a standard "marraige", the actual word be damned.

    You might research the differences between the available "civil unions" and " marraige" to see that the national and state rights granted are in no way equal.

    The truth is that the religious want to make a big deal over a word- "marraige", whereas, the gays don't care what you label it, just that they get the same legal rights as heterosexuals.
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    Couldn't have put it better myself... imagine that... except (you would expect anything other?) that some LGBT want the word marriage because of the symbolism, if human beings have a right to marry, and they are denied that right but afforded the opportunity for "civil unions", what does that say about LGBT? That they are not as accepted as others because of their choice in partner?

    You might try "Just Married: Gay Marriage and the Expansion of Human Rights (Living Out: Gay and Lesbian Autobiographies)" by Kevin Bourassa and Joe Varnell or "Why Marriage?: The History Shaping Today's Debate Over Gay Equality" by George Chauncey.
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    I think that whatever your sexual preference, the instituition of marraige should be granted to you.

    It is about a commitment of trust and love and not gender.

    Some religions simply don't care about standard gender roles (unitarian church) and are more focused on the concept of commitment and are more than happy to give the term "marraige" away.

    In our current society, getting politicians to vote for this way is akin to political suicide. I think the LBGT should accept the legal victory, as they know that their God sees them as married, regardless the Christian right.

    Baby steps in a rather barbaric world.
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    I personally don't want to see gay marriage see the light of day.

    However, it logically should not be denied for whatever reasons two men or women want to join, just like a man and woman. Seeing that I don't believe people are born gay, then I don't believe it is a deficiency or sickness. Their free will has led them to the same sex. It's their preference.

    I believe that the more this is accepted the more influence it will have in the world, causing a rise in homosexuality. The same has happened with interracial relationships.

    We may live in world where a huge percentage of the population is more versatile and there will be nothing considered wrong with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Busyman
    I personally don't want to see gay marriage see the light of day.

    Seeing that I don't believe people are born gay, then I don't believe it is a deficiency or sickness. Their free will has led them to the same sex. It's their preference.

    :

    What if you are completely wrong.

    Just consider that possibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hobbes
    What if you are completely wrong.

    Just consider that possibility.
    I've seen too much to know I'm right.

    Some try to assign sexual preference to a "I like dick" brain matter.

    If people would go out into the fucking world sometimes then they would get a better understanding of the human psyche.

    I like phat ass. Where's the "I like phat ass and tities" brain matter located.

    It doesn't exist. Maybe I just happen....to like it.

    Some women after awhile just might be ok with a little cunnilingus from a woman. Did they all of sudden get "I like pussy" brain matter?

    The one that kills me is "Well she might have just realized she was gay."

    Hmm...it couldn't possibly be that she wanted to try something different.

    Like the woman who all of a sudden wants to get ass-fucked.

    Must be "Ass fucked" brain matter steering her that way.

    Some

    women want ass fucking
    men don't mind being fingered in the ass by a woman but are straight
    women would get their pussy ate by a woman but won't eat pussy
    ......the same for men
    men find other men attractive but still love sexing women
    ......the same for women

    The point is that to assign a "born with" variable to the gamut of love emotions and mere sexual preference and fetishes is pompous and agenda driven.

    Imagine this being assigned for murderers. Not just mere murderers but murderers that commit certain types of murders.
    Some murders can be attributed to a chemical imbalance. The type is purely free will.
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    There's no need to be vulgar..

    The issue is intolerance. If being together makes two same-sex people happy, and they're not doing anything to harm anyone else, then what business is it of society to say that they should not be afforded the same legal rights and protections as a mixed-sex couple?

    I believe that the more this is accepted the more influence it will have in the world, causing a rise in homosexuality. The same has happened with interracial relationships.
    I don't see your point here, are you agains interracial relationships? Why are you against a rise in homosexuality? What sort of influences are you afraid of?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Busyman
    Seeing that I don't believe people are born gay,
    If you have never felt a sexual attraction to a man, or even an little curiosity, then you have no right to say that, as what you are saying is purely assumption with no backing from experience. If you have ever had a homosexual feeling then maybe you could make that comment, but what you are saying is no different to saying "You can't be born hetrosexual"
    So by your reckoning, eveyone is born Bi - Sexual.

    One question to you Busyman...... Are you better than a gay man?

    On topic
    Gay marriage as Hobbes said is a god given right for one human being to love another and show their love in the same way as many people want to.
    To need a vote for it is to look down on anyone with a different seual preference and treat them like an animal.
    It's 2004, the 21st century.
    Time to forget the Victorian gospel and move upto the times.

    We are not neaderthals, we are a civilised race (for the most part) who are constantly spouting about human rights and equality.
    Yet when it comes to 2 human beings who have a different sexual preference to some, it's a whole different story, human rights and equality go out the window because they are

    GAY!!

    Gay people were the ones who brought disease to our shores and if a man is gay he automatically fancies you
    .

    This is bollocks, the majority of STD's were introduced by hetrosexuals.
    And a gay man is no different to any other man, he will be attracted to whom he wants, just like you.

    There are no "Againsts" , it is simply the goverment (and many of the public, displayed earlier in this thread) treating human beings like animals.

    Jonno
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    Jonno, say what you mean, stop sitting on the fence

    I agree however, in total.

    Marriage is about the people in that relationship... no one else.

    Plenty of kids are born and brought up outside of wedlock, so to say that its about that is merely to admit to having a wish to return to Victorian Values.

    Many Hetro's dont want kids but still get married, or Adopt/Foster etc.

    Society has adapted for the most part, it really just needs to go that final step to give equality on this issue.
    Last edited by Rat Faced; 11-12-2004 at 12:54 PM.

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