Gay Marriage

[Jon L. Obscene]

So these genes affected what type of person turned someone on but not their appearance?

Those genes affect our entire personality.
The looks thing I think you're trying to twist what I'm saying.
There's a balance of male/female genes in everyone, obviously everyone has a different balance.
I'm sorry,I can't explain it any simpler than that

@Cheese ..... It was a joke and it's not a direct quote

Jonno

[Busyman]

No, don't half quote me



Meaning a man would have too many female genes so to speak.

Jonno

So there are 3 genes for this?

HET, HOMO, and BI genes?

or maybe it's a chemical build-up...too much (or not enough) is HET, not enough (or too little) is HOMO, and just the right amount is BI?

[vidcc]

So these genes affected what type of person turned someone on but not their appearance?

all depends on which genes and/or hormones. There are many and each has a different "task"
But then if you want to discuss biological developement i am afraid we have to enter the realms of....... i almost hate to say it .....................................................................................................

science

[Busyman]

Those genes affect our entire personality.
The looks thing I think you're trying to twist what I'm saying.
There's a balance of male/female genes in everyone, obviously everyone has a different balance.
I'm sorry,I can't explain it any simpler than that

@Cheese ..... It was a joke and it's not a direct quote

Jonno

Yet this imbalance is not shown to cause homosexuality.

[Jon L. Obscene]

I don't understand what you are dribbling about,

Male gene
Female Gene

Say man to be 100% hetrosexual has to have 75% male genes.
A man with 50% would be bi
A man with 30% would be gay
A man with 20% would be a transexual

And don't be quoting me on this saying it's crap, I made it up it's not scientific, it's a loose example of what I'm talking about

Jonno

[Busyman]

all depends on which genes and/or hormones. There are many and each has a different "task"
But then if you want to discuss biological developement i am afraid we have to enter the realms of....... i almost hate to say it .....................................................................................................

science

and that can't explain all realms of........................i almost hate to say it ..................................................................................

psychology

[Busyman]

I grasp it...i just don't agree with it.


again you go there with the science bit...do you ignore anything that doesn't suit on everyones posts and just cherry pick what suits you?

BTW. it was hobbes that raised science...i just made a quip about it.

blahblah..and born with mantra isn't science related...riiiight.
"Science, I didn't say no word science."

And where did i say every case is absolute ? there are variations that's why i told you "nature isn't logical"

There are variations to the human psyche.

If you took 10000 fresh born girls and 10000 fresh born boys and isolated them on an island free from sexual presets and gave them no sex education at all, just basic life needs such as food etc. i guarentee in 16 or so years there would be new borns on that island, and probably some homosexual relationships.

Thayat manes a janeyus!!!

There will probably be some murders too.

[Jon L. Obscene]

No, the psycological part is the decider, most gay people will struggle in some form with confusion etc, but what causes that confusion is caused at birth, it's in them right from the start.
Many people will live a lie, pretending to be straight when they are actually gay.
People who thought or were convinced by someone they were gay and living that life who have since discovered they are not.

Your sexual preference is set at birth.

Jonno

[vidcc]

and that can't explain all realms of........................i almost hate to say it ..................................................................................

psychology

but you asked about the human body and the genes that create physical attributes not the mind.


you seem confused, should i type slower for you?

[hobbes]

In 1992, Bailey and Pillard followed-up their experiment on homosexual men by studying identical twin, fraternal twin, and nongenetically related adopted sisters. As expected, their results mirrored those found in their gay brother study. Whereas only six percent of adopted sisters were both lesbian, sixteen percent of fraternal twin sisters and forty-eight percent of identical twin sisters were both lesbian (Burr, Separate 35). Clearly, the basis for a similar argument for predetermined homosexuality in women has been laid.

http://www.geocities.com/southbeach/.../biobasis.html

So we find that the stronger the genetic relationship between twins, the higher the likelihood, that if one is gay, the other will be as well.

If the twins are not related (adoption) the presence of a gay twin means nothing above society's baseline incidence.

This proves that there is a genetic basis. And it also proves that it is not "environmental" as the non-genetic twins would have an equal incidence of homosexuality as the genetic twins.

But if the twins are identical, why aren't they always of the same sexual orientation.

I think that this can be explained by saying that they have the genetic potential to become gay, but a some time during gestation this potential needs to be activated. This, I think boils down to percentages/random chance.

There are many conditions which exhibit this phenomenon. It is called "penetrance". Huntingtons chorea is a neurological disorder with 100% penetrance. That means if you have the gene you WILL ALWAYS get the disease. A disease with less penetrance is Neurofibromatosis. If you have the gene, sometimes you get the disease, sometimes you don't.

This is offered just to clearly state that a genetic basis for homosexuality is there. The data is right there. They have figured out that you get it from your Mother on her "x" chromosome. The exact mechanism can be worked out by beaker boys who care about that kind of stuff.

Whether people want to call it a disease or not is up to them.