Gay Marriage

[Busyman]

but you asked about the human body and the genes that create physical attributes not the mind.


you seem confused, should i type slower for you?

Unfortunately you typing slower still renders the same number of letters and the same number of words positioned in the same places.

It's the same bullshit....just ten minutes later.

The mind and body have both been mentioned. Are you confused?

Currently this whole debate is mainly about nature vs. nurture. I don't even entirely believe in the nurture aspect.

I believe people's minds can be influenced but not entirely "mapped".

It is why in a room full folks that seem alike you can get numerous variations.
It is why like thinkers are still different.
It is why identical twins may act differently and have different sexual desires.

Science cannot fully explain sentience. Religious folk call it the soul.

[dwightfry]

What does any of this matter?

If you are right...everyone decides to be gay for whatever reason, they get the right to marry, It becomes this huge fad, half of america becomes gay over the next 20 years......so what...what does that change?

I'll tell you...

You have to witness 2 people that YOU are not in the least bit attracted too, giving each other a little affection. They also happen to have a few more legal rights. (No more than you or I) Nothing more, nothing less. You will only be affected how you want to be affected. Be grossed out if you like...It doesn't matter. It's not hurting you, or your kid, or any of your family. If your kid were to 'decide' to be gay, it's really his/her choice, now isn't it? They can choose their own partners and you have no right to take that choice away. You have no reason to want to take it away other than "I don't like it." That's just not enough to get in the way of personal freedoms.

(of course, if you don't have kids, that is a hypothetical)

And BTW, if you are straight, that doesn't mean that a gay relationship between two men is going to gross you out. I have kissed, with tongue and without, 4 of my friends that are in fact guys. I am not in the least bit gay though. I have never, and will never look at guy and want to bone him. Nor do I see it as a big deal of someone does.

[Busyman]

What does any of this matter?

If you are right...everyone decides to be gay for whatever reason, they get the right to marry, It becomes this huge fad, half of america becomes gay over the next 20 years......so what...what does that change?

I'll tell you...

You have to witness 2 people that YOU are not in the least bit attracted too, giving each other a little affection. They also happen to have a few more legal rights. (No more than you or I) Nothing more, nothing less. You will only be affected how you want to be affected. Be grossed out if you like...It doesn't matter. It's not hurting you, or your kid, or any of your family. If your kid were to 'decide' to be gay, it's really his/her choice, now isn't it? They can choose their own partners and you have no right to take that choice away. You have no reason to want to take it away other than "I don't like it." That's just not enough to get in the way of personal freedoms.

(of course, if you don't have kids, that is a hypothetical)

And BTW, if you are straight, that doesn't mean that a gay relationship between two men is going to gross you out. I have kissed, with tongue and without, 4 of my friends that are in fact guys. I am not in the least bit gay though. I have never, and will never look at guy and want to bone him. Nor do I see it as a big deal of someone does.

:crying:

[Busyman]

http://www.geocities.com/southbeach/.../biobasis.html

So we find that the stronger the genetic relationship between twins, the higher the likelihood, that if one is gay, the other will be as well.

If the twins are not related (adoption) the presence of a gay twin means nothing above society's baseline incidence.

This proves that there is a genetic basis. And it also proves that it is not "environmental" as the non-genetic twins would have an equal incidence of homosexuality as the genetic twins.

But if the twins are identical, why aren't they always of the same sexual orientation.

I think that this can be explained by saying that they have the genetic potential to become gay, but a some time during gestation this potential needs to be activated. This, I think boils down to percentages/random chance.

There are many conditions which exhibit this phenomenon. It is called "penetrance". Huntingtons chorea is a neurological disorder with 100% penetrance. That means if you have the gene you WILL ALWAYS get the disease. A disease with less penetrance is Neurofibromatosis. If you have the gene, sometimes you get the disease, sometimes you don't.

This is offered just to clearly state that a genetic basis for homosexuality is there. The data is right there. They have figured out that you get it from your Mother on her "x" chromosome. The exact mechanism can be worked out by beaker boys who care about that kind of stuff.

Whether people want to call it a disease or not is up to them.

I was waiting for some Googling.

Do some more.

They have been debunked.

[sArA]

:crying:

Not like your usual response BM...

I wonder...was Dwightfry's response too reasonable and well thought out as an opinion that it left you speechless?

[dwightfry]

:crying:

Oh, come on. That is your only replay. More personal discriptions on how a homosexual relationship makes you feel? Give me a break!

Somewhere in this thread you said 'imagine if homosexual relationships became a thing of the norm.' (or something like that).... I'll put it all into a nice neat package for ya.

Some straight people like you will be angered, grossed out, or whatever you would feel, while other straight people like myself, would be pleased at the decision. The next generation will come, some will still be against it, but many more will be used to it and will not be bothered. The next generation will come and most of the nation won't give a damn.... life will continue... the end

[Busyman]

Not like your usual response BM...

I wonder...was Dwightfry's response too reasonable and well thought out as an opinion that it left you speechless?

Actually no Sara. I should have edited the quote....it was the last paragraph that got me.

Everything else was pretty much agreeable and I believe it is inevitable. But I've said that earlier.

[Busyman]

Oh, come on. That is your only replay. More personal discriptions on how a homosexual relationship makes you feel? Give me a break!

Somewhere in this thread you said 'imagine if homosexual relationships became a thing of the norm.' (or something like that).... I'll put it all into a nice neat package for ya.

Some straight people like you will be angered, grossed out, or whatever you would feel, while other straight people like myself, would be pleased at the decision. The next generation will come, some will still be against it, but many more will be used to it and will not be bothered. The next generation will come and most of the nation won't give a damn.... life will continue... the end

Agreed.

I was merely joking about you kissing 4 guys, some with tongue and not being gay.

It could have been for a number of reasons (besides it being homosexual), however.

[dwightfry]

Actually no Sara. I should have edited the quote....it was the last paragraph that got me.

Everything else was pretty much agreeable and I believe it is inevitable. But I've said that earlier.

if it's agreeable...than whats the argument? what's the point of all this? You admit that there is nothing wrong.

[hobbes]

I was waiting for some Googling.

Do some more.

They have been debunked.

Post link.

BTW Busyman, who supports your theory. No one, actually.

Genetics is what people are studying in regard to advances in understanding homosexuality. Just because they can't pull a single gene out and show it to you doesn't mean that it is not genetic. It could be the interaction of several genes making it much more difficult to pin down.

As I said, the evidence is there, the details can be ironed out by those who care.

Edit: I looked into the link and found that his "x" chromosome theory is failing and that he the quality of his data may be suspect.

However, additional research has lead to many articles on the genetics of homosexuality.

Is there such a thing as a gay gene? Scientists at UCLA have discovered 54 genes in mice which suggest that homosexuality may not be a choice as sexual identity is hard-wired into the brain before birth.

Last week, British psychologists from the University of East London and from King's College also said they have found strong evidence to support the theory that a person's sexuality is "hard-wired" into the brain before birth.

http://www.fridae.com/newsfeatures/a...searchtype=all

It just make sense. And it is the ONLY avenue researchers are looking into, the psychosocial mumbo jumbo has been bebunked by the American Psychiatric Association and this is clearly in their postion statement on homosexuality.